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Prometevsberg

Now that is really too kinky....

chyea

Ok, well don't all jump at my throat as this is my first post, but i think that beastility is just grotesque. Being vegan i believe that animals should be accorded the same rights as humans. One of these being freedom of choice.. There are very few perfectly clear ways of an animal showing consent or rather a desire to have inter species sex. Now I think it's really nasty to want to make love to a say baboon or a dog or some non-human. I know that i would be horrified if i went to the zoo and i petted some animal and he mistook my act of friendliness for consent just grabbed me and raped me. And if an animal did express any desire to have sex with me or another human, he/she should undergo some *SERIOUS* psychiatric evalution. I am atheist, but it's things like beastility that create a need for religion to control the masses and instill in them a basic sense of morality and limit their minds.

hedonologist

I hope you perceive my questions as attempts at understanding what you think, rather than as attacks or even statements.
Is it better for the cow's sake (or that of animals in general), for a cow to live in somewhat crowded space, being well feed and kept free of disease and other predators, OR to not exit at all?
Have you done enough of the evaluation to determine that an animal is better off if they do not try to have sex with humans? If so, on what do you base this conclusion?

Oolon Colluphid

Which is precisely why they cannot be accorded the same rights. Many of them would be more likely to eat you rather than rape you, which I'd have thought is an even greater infringement of your rights. It's the old rights/responsibilities thing again: animals can't be totally accountable for their actions (since we can't reason with them and explain why, say, chewing your leg off is immoral). If they can't be accountable, they can't be responsible, at least by human ethical standards. Right to life... right not to be tortured... well maybe. Right to wander round a city centre? Maybe not.

You've clearly never owned a dog . ("What do you do if a rottweiller shags your leg? A: Fake an orgasm!")

"Psychiatric evalution"! They're [/i]animals[/i], ferdarwinssake! Your homework for today is to look up 'anthropomorphism'. They're not little mute people.

Cheers, Oolon

jess

Hoever, to the bored polar bear, chewing your leg off is moral.

To him.

Oh, wait, are you saying that we can't make them adhere to our standards (which are not proven to be the best) thus they don't need the same rights?

huh.

Oolon Colluphid

It depends on the right in question... of course! And I covered the kinds of distinction in my next sentence. I, like all parents, constantly limit my 3-year-old's freedoms. But that's not generally regarded as infringing her rights.

But this is straying too far off-topic...

TTFN, Oolon

Valmorian

I would wholeheartedly agree with that statement. Why shouldn't two consenting adults be able to do whatever the hell they want, provided it's not hurting someone in the process?

Valmorian

I presume you don't want violent criminals released from jail with no restriction on their movement, no?

Society commonly restricts the rights of those citizens that refuse to obey the moral standards of that society.

Is this right? Depends what your moral code is and what situation is involved.