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Old 03-21-2003, 01:46 AM   #1
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Below is a link to an idea. It does one better than religion, it's based on scientific speculation. Considering the power of religion as it has erected the great pyramids of Egypt and caused great wars, wouldn't a religion based on real scientific principles make a better religion? Think how powerful a religion that was based on science would be?

The religous science of Ouranos

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...this topic would be better suited to another forum (seeing as how there have been no responses). I'm moving it to GRD...

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wouldn't a religion based on real scientific principles make a better religion?

That, obviously, would depend on the religious aspects of the religion, not the science. Such a religion would have the potential to be just as "bad" or even worse than any other religion we've cooked up.

Think how powerful a religion that was based on science would be?

Now, that's a scary thought. Power in the hands of religion doesn't have a very good track record in the world.

Why the need for a religion at all, specifically one based on science? Why clould reality, or even mystical experience, with an organized religious system that serves no demonstrable purpose?
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[BWhy the need for a religion at all, specifically one based on science? Why clould reality, or even mystical experience, with an organized religious system that serves no demonstrable purpose? [/B]

Religions are the kernel of the birth of nations. Religion can unite and motivate. With such a force as religion you can build pyramids, empires, it has limitless power. How much more powerful would such an organization be, as to be techincally capable was well?

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Considering the power of religion as it has erected the great pyramids of Egypt and caused great wars, wouldn't a religion based on real scientific principles make a better religion?
Not unless those real scientific principles were somehow used to create a better morality than found in religions. Real scientific principles could be used (or rather misused) to create "better wars", such as nuclear wars, instead.

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Religions are the kernel of the birth of nations. Religion can unite and motivate. With such a force as religion you can build pyramids, empires, it has limitless power. How much more powerful would such an organization be, as to be techincally capable was well?
It would rule the world! Bwahahaha!

I'm really not sure what you are getting at. The main advantage of a science-friendly religion would simply be that it wouldn't get in the way of scientific investigation as religious creationists do. Why do you want to create a religion that builds empires, pyramids (or other wonders), and have limitless power? What exactly do you want a science-friendly religion to accomplish?

BTW, I looked at the site. Is it a Raelian site? Or some competitor UFO religion?
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Now look here if I was to take up with Ouranos and I'm just askin here are they from Uranus and they ain't gonna try to put anything in my anus are they 'cause I ain't into none of that I want you to know right now but that is kind of a funny name for a bunch a ET types don't you think and I hear tell they's funny that way what with probin where they ought not an such things so's your off in one them spaceships and they gotcha right where you may not want to be if you know what I mean so have you looked into this real hard and long it could be a big thing and if it is I'd sit on it a while before I said anything to anybody else 'cause you just never know how people will react and you might want to keep this to yourself awhile so as to get better aquainted with the ins an outs of it so to speak I mean you might want to get the whole thing in hand before you shoot off about it and people start askin questions and there you are with your pants down and a real dumb look on your face and believe me it ain't fun cause I've been there and there was some explaining to do let me tell you but it came out OK and the wife moved back two weeks later and I've been real good since then. You be careful now you hear.
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The scientific religion thing makes no sense. Sciences take us away from religion. Making a religion follow scientific principles instead of supernatural ones would not make it better. It would be bad but in a more measured, accurate and expicable way. 'They' would tell you to do or not to do such and such but would be able to give you real reasons as to why.
A religion also needs a supernatural figurehead. Thats not what science is about. Are you talking about an ideology, like communism,rather than an actual religion?
As to these aliens. What are they all about? Are we meant to worship them as gods or something? They say if you meet an advanced race the things they do may seem like magic.Look at the conquistadors and the S.American Indians. Also look what happened when they met.
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That link was weird. Frankly, I like these guys a little better:

http://www.urantia.org/

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That link was weird. Frankly, I like these guys a little better:

http://www.urantia.org/

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They, at least, spent the money on a professionally designed site. The link in the OP was originally in S&S where it degenerated into mud-slinging within two pages. It's certainly more suited to GRD.

Right off the bat the author makes the assumtion that "ET" exists and then tries to extrapolate on the scientific knowledge "ET" would possess. While remotely plausible, it reads more like research for a science fiction novel than the basis of a holy text for a "scientific religion."

A couple of my personal favorites from the site(emphasis mine):

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Forget everything you've ever heard about UFOs and ETs, the real truth is much more frightening.
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Now that you understand how ET's saucers work get ready for more revelations as the magic of our galactic neighbors is exposed. Here is a hint: ET is so ingenious that not one of you would guess exactly how they traversed the vast distance of dark cold space. When I discovered the truth I was completely amazed.
If "the magic of our galactic neighbors" were truely exposed one would think that it would have altered the course of human development by now without the need of building a religious cult around said "magic."

Didn't L. Ron Hubbard already try this religious angle?
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At the end the basic principles of science and religion do not jell and science would simply be used to perpetuate the clergy's rule.
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