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06-01-2002, 07:38 AM

CHARLESTON, W. Va. - More than 100 students in Charleston have defied a judge's order - and recited the Lord's Prayer during their high school graduation.

The judge had issued an order just hours before Thursday night's graduation, telling St. Albans High it could not hold student-led prayers.

<a href="http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/0531GraduationPrayer-ON.html" target="_blank">Article</a>

Anunnaki · 06-01-2002, 07:56 AM

I wonder if there will be any legal repercussions. I certainly hope there will be,but I doubt it.

tragic_pizza · 06-01-2002, 08:15 AM

The article fails to note that, because this heresy was committed at the graduation, the earth opened up and swallowed all present.

Or something like that.

Abacus · 06-01-2002, 09:10 AM

Let me see if I can find that verse. Here it is:

Matthew 6:5-6
5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Really, guys, who are we to hinder them in earning their reward?

I wonder what would happen if a muslim wanted to lead a prayer at a graduation? Do you think it would fly? I doubt it. When some Christians speak of freedom of religion, I really wish they would be honest and say "freedom of Christian religion." That is what they really mean.

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tragic_pizza · 06-01-2002, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Random Number Generator:
Let me see if I can find that verse. Here it is:

Matthew 6:5-6
5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Really, guys, who are we to hinder them in earning their reward?

I wonder what would happen if a muslim wanted to lead a prayer at a graduation? Do you think it would fly? I doubt it. When some Christians speak of freedom of religion, I really wish they would be honest and say "freedom of Christian religion." That is what they really mean.

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If they stopped the Muslim from praying, they would be violating Federal law...

... then again, isn't that what happened in the first place?

Secular Elation · 06-01-2002, 09:16 AM

Precisely, RNG. Here in my city, a few months ago, our city decided to erect the words "In God We Trust" on City Hall. The proposal was controversial (I'm happy about that, because at least not everyone supported it). Many of the supporters claimed, in response to the question "What about other religions?", that it didn't matter because Muslims, Jews, etc. believed in the same god. Bah! I'd like to see how they would feel if the motto was "In Allah We Trust." I can gurarantee you the many Christians in my city would be, at the least, uncomfortable with that version.

Abacus · 06-01-2002, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tragic_pizza:


If they stopped the Muslim from praying, they would be violating Federal law...

... then again, isn't that what happened in the first place?

What federal law?

tragic_pizza · 06-01-2002, 09:26 AM

If you ever travel to Alabama, I'll be glad to show you the Ten Commandments monument that a State Supreme Court Justice erected in the court rotunda.

Not only is it offensive, and arguably illegal, it is tacky. It isn't even the whole text, but an abbreviation of each of the ten...

Toto · 06-01-2002, 09:26 AM

It appears that the school officials declared a "moment of silence" (wink wink nudge nudge) and about half the students violated the silence by reciting the Lord's Prayer. So they might well be liabile for disturbing the peace, and disturbing other non-Christian prayers.

Abacus · 06-01-2002, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Secular Elation:
I can gurarantee you the many Christians in my city would be, at the least, uncomfortable with that version.

I'd wager that many would blow their tops.

06-01-2002, 07:38 AM	#1
atheist_in_foxhole Guest Posts: n/a	Students pray at graduation, despite judge's ruling CHARLESTON, W. Va. - More than 100 students in Charleston have defied a judge's order - and recited the Lord's Prayer during their high school graduation. The judge had issued an order just hours before Thursday night's graduation, telling St. Albans High it could not hold student-led prayers. <a href="http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/0531GraduationPrayer-ON.html" target="_blank">Article</a>

06-01-2002, 09:10 AM	#4
Abacus Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Dakota Posts: 2,214	Let me see if I can find that verse. Here it is: Matthew 6:5-6 5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. Really, guys, who are we to hinder them in earning their reward? I wonder what would happen if a muslim wanted to lead a prayer at a graduation? Do you think it would fly? I doubt it. When some Christians speak of freedom of religion, I really wish they would be honest and say "freedom of Christian religion." That is what they really mean. [ June 01, 2002: Message edited by: Random Number Generator ]</p>

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06-01-2002, 07:56 AM	#2
Anunnaki Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: I`ve left and gone away Posts: 699	I wonder if there will be any legal repercussions. I certainly hope there will be,but I doubt it.

06-01-2002, 08:15 AM	#3
tragic_pizza Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 108	The article fails to note that, because this heresy was committed at the graduation, the earth opened up and swallowed all present. Or something like that.

06-01-2002, 09:16 AM	#6
Secular Elation Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: California Posts: 6,196	Precisely, RNG. Here in my city, a few months ago, our city decided to erect the words "In God We Trust" on City Hall. The proposal was controversial (I'm happy about that, because at least not everyone supported it). Many of the supporters claimed, in response to the question "What about other religions?", that it didn't matter because Muslims, Jews, etc. believed in the same god. Bah! I'd like to see how they would feel if the motto was "In Allah We Trust." I can gurarantee you the many Christians in my city would be, at the least, uncomfortable with that version.

06-01-2002, 09:26 AM	#8
tragic_pizza Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 108	If you ever travel to Alabama, I'll be glad to show you the Ten Commandments monument that a State Supreme Court Justice erected in the court rotunda. Not only is it offensive, and arguably illegal, it is tacky. It isn't even the whole text, but an abbreviation of each of the ten...

06-01-2002, 09:26 AM	#9
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	It appears that the school officials declared a "moment of silence" (wink wink nudge nudge) and about half the students violated the silence by reciting the Lord's Prayer. So they might well be liabile for disturbing the peace, and disturbing other non-Christian prayers.

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