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Old 10-26-2002, 07:42 PM   #1
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Post Absence of Evidence and Reason is Evidence of Absence

There is no evidence for a God
There is no reason to believe in a God
Therefore – God does not exist

People believe in God only because they want to, because they have something called faith. Does faith make God real though? No – not at all. Faith is nothing more than an overactive use of the imagination.

A long time ago, when man was unable to rationally explain the world around him using advanced science, technology, and naturalistic methods, he created an irrational God concept to give comforting explanation.

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Cube unity voids 1 god entity.
4-corners void 1-corner god.
I bet you can't handle Truth.

-timecube.com
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Old 10-27-2002, 08:29 AM   #3
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<strong>Cube unity voids 1 god entity.
4-corners void 1-corner god.
I bet you can't handle Truth.

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What?
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Old 10-27-2002, 10:13 AM   #4
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There is no evidence for a God.
Sure there is. Amongst other things, we have testimony from millions of people.

Don’t confuse not very convincing evidence with no evidence.

[quote] There is no reason to believe in a God.[quote]

Sure there is. Belief in God helps people fit it. Belief in God gives certain people added meaning to their lives. Belief in God gives certain people a better grip on the world around them and allows them to rationalize certain horrible things that have been done to them or to others.

Don’t confuse not very convincing reasons with no reason at all.

Either way, you can’t prove a negative by your reasoning.

100 years ago, someone could have given this argument:

There is no evidence for Blackholes
There is no reason to believe in Blackholes
Therefore – Blackholes do not exist
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Old 10-27-2002, 10:23 AM   #5
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” Sure there is. Amongst other things, we have testimony from millions of people.”
Testimony from a very well written novel.

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” Don’t confuse not very convincing evidence with no evidence.”
I’m sorry but there is absolutely NO evidence for God. If there is, I would love for you to post it here.

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”Belief in God helps people fit it.”
So – belief in God is nothing more than a trend?

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” Belief in God gives certain people added meaning to their lives.”
So they are incapable of creating their own meaning and purpose?

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” Belief in God gives certain people a better grip on the world around them and allows them to rationalize certain horrible things that have been done to them or to others.”
So – people only believe in God because it makes them feel good? It doesn’t matter if God exists or not?

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There is no evidence for Blackholes
There is no reason to believe in Blackholes
Therefore – Blackholes do not exist
Yes – but they weren’t talking about black holes 100 years ago, now were they?
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Secularfuture,

The principle that is the title of this thread,
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Absence of Evidence and Reason is Evidence of Absence
is not generally true. Absence of evidence for living beings on other planets in the universe does not count as reason to believe that there is no life on other planets. In such a case, no evidence for is just that, NO evidence FOR, and no more.

Others can probably think of other examples, but one counter-example is enough to falsify the universal claim.

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”Absence of evidence for living beings on other planets in the universe does not count as reason to believe that there is no life on other planets.”
We have reason to believe that life exists.
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Did you even read the entirety of my post?

Not very good evidence still counts as evidence, hence calling it “not very good evidence.”

And reasons, no matter how silly to you, are still reasons.
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Yes I did. Your points were not valid though.
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Yes I did. Your points were not valid though.</strong>
Okay, let's try for the third time now:

Not very good evidence still counts as evidence, hence calling it “not very good evidence.” Something like testimony from people who have claimed to experience God (or testimony from their holy book) is not very good evidence for the existence of God, however, it is evidence.

And reasons, no matter how silly to you, are still reasons.
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