Enlighten Me

I have read a ton of suggestions for arguing with Christians and/or defending one's rejection of the Christian god. Why are the arguments SO complex? It seems to me that a non-believer could simply say: "I don't believe that humankind was born under an "evil spell' called "original sin". That said, every other Christian doctrine becomes irrelevant doesn't it? Where could the Christian take the argument? It seems to me that his only response could only be: "Well, you should believe it...." Am I wrong to think so highly of this approach?

Mad Kally

Because the believers are all convinced they know the REAL TRUTH, no matter how outrageous it may be!

Amos

Sorry Enlightened Lady but humankind is not born but is the product of original sin.

Man is born and became human as a cause of original sin. Original sin was the develoment of the conscious awareness (tree of knowledge) which was not an evil spell at all and only becomes a hindrance and therefore an enemy if you want to return to Eden-- which was the existence of man without the enslavement to sense perception that come to us through the tree of knowledge.

The prefix -hu is from -humi and means earthly which now means that man without the prefix -hu is heavenly if you allow me to posite heaven opposite to earth.

Enlighten Me

Sorry, Amos. I reject everything you assert, so for me---case closed.

spurly

There are many people in Christendom who do not believe in the doctrine of original sin. Instead they believe that each person lives forever in heaven or hell based, not on someone else's sin, but based on their own relationship with God.

Kevin

Mad Kally

That's so cute how Christiandom has so many different Truths? Can't y'all just get along?

Sabine Grant

Don't you appreciate diversity? I know I do. It is very interesting to me that the individuality of each believer will influence how he or she relates to God. Some folks need to carry a self condemning load. Others cultivate a personal relationship with God. Some are focused on changing others, some are focused on growing and changing themselves.
The "getting along" happens when people set aside their differences and look for what they share in common. Christians share the same God but if they do not relate to God and feed their belief thru doctrines and dogma, I guess the " getting along " will be pretty rough. It works throughout our entire society as people of various backgrounds and thoughts will give up the need to make others conformed to their own thoughts.

Dr Rick

That's great, but unless you are the final arbitrator of eternal justice, so what?

Christianity, similarly to many religions, doesn't appreciate or even tolerate much diversity; many proponents insist that you must believe just as they do or be condemned to eternal torment. Many Protestants believe that all Catholics are destined for hell, many Catholics believe that most Jews are destined for hell, many Catholics and Protestants believe all Mormans are hell-bound, and the majority of Muslims believe that all Christians are wrong whether they are Morman, Catholic, or otherwise.

So you appreciate diversity; okay, so what?

Rick

beyelzu

God doesnt appreciate diversity however, he burns the diverse in hell.

The fact that god changes with the beliver is just further proof that god doesnt exist.

an omnimax god wouldnt change from person to person.

Amos

Here's for those who like sin and are not offended by it.

Sin is the coming together of a positive and a negative stand in the rout of creation. Since all of creation is good (sic), it follows that sin is good and if the cross of eternal salvation is for sinners only sin is double good because first it provides for richess, wealth and understanding (gold, bdellium and lapis lazulli from Gen2:10-14), and later you get to enjoy the same in the eternal bliss of heaven to the fullest extent of their richess (Rev.14:13 where the fruits of good works accompany them in heaven).