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Beheaded_Goat · 07-23-2002, 09:16 PM

Hello Sincerely David Mathews,

I am beginning to have doubts about Christianity's devotion to the concept of love and especially the universal love which is commanded by Buddhism and the other great religions of the world.

What I want to know:

1. How does Christianity define "Love"?

2. Does Christianity command or advocate "love" among Christians?

3. Does Christianity command or advocate "love" in between Buddhists and Christians?

4. Does Christianity command or advocate "love" in a universal sense?

5. Christianity does not forbid nor even discourage hate. Yes or No? Please explain.

6. Christianity does not forbid nor even discourage prejudice and bigotry. Yes or No? Please explain.

7. Christianity has no command against violence. Yes or no?

Sincerely,

The Beheaded One

optimist · 07-23-2002, 10:02 PM

As I said in my post in Atheism & Love you are creating a false comparison.

Hello Sincerely David Mathews,
I am beginning to have doubts about theism's devotion to the concept of love and especially the universal love which is commanded by Buddhism and the other great religions of the world.

What I want to know:

1. How does Theism define "Love"?

2. Does Theism command or advocate "love" among Theists?

3. Does Theism command or advocate "love" in between atheists and theists?

4. Does Theism command or advocate "love" in a universal sense?

5. Theism does not forbid nor even discourage hate. Yes or No? Please explain.

6. Theism does not forbid nor even discourage prejudice and bigotry. Yes or No? Please explain.

7. Theism has no command against violence. Yes or no?
________________________

Here is an example of how these terms can be used:

Secular Humanism vs. Christianity

Theism vs. Atheism

This is not:

Atheism vs. Christianity

(I am not a Secular Humanist, but that is one example of the MANY different belief systems under atheism just as there are many different belief systems under theism)

David Mathews · 07-24-2002, 09:38 PM

Hello Beheaded_Goat,

1. How does Christianity define "Love"?

David: See 1 Corinthians 13.

2. Does Christianity command or advocate "love" among Christians?

David: Yes.

3. Does Christianity command or advocate "love" in between Buddhists and Christians?

David: Yes.

4. Does Christianity command or advocate "love" in a universal sense?

David: Yes. See Romans 13:9.

5. Christianity does not forbid nor even discourage hate. Yes or No? Please explain.

David: Christianity does forbid hate, see Matthew 5:43-44.

6. Christianity does not forbid nor even discourage prejudice and bigotry. Yes or No? Please explain.

David: Yes, it does. See Galatians 3:28.

7. Christianity has no command against violence. Yes or no?

David: Yes, see Matthew 5:38-39.

Best Regards,

David Mathews

phaedrus · 07-24-2002, 10:03 PM

DM

Why dont you go to all the threads you started and respond to what people say?

NialScorva · 07-24-2002, 10:11 PM

This isn't really philosophy, feel free to persue it further in Misc Religion.

Beheaded_Goat · 07-25-2002, 01:22 PM

Good, David, now that you have gotten all the Bible quotes out of your system, let's look at what Christianity really practices instead of just what it preaches. The Bible itself is much too contradictory to be taken as a serious guide to life anyhow.

I'm sure I don't need to go into all of the atrocities committed by Christians. How can you justify the fact that Christianity seems to lead, again and again, to crimes against minorities?

<a href="http://www.armyofgod.com" target="_blank">www.armyofgod.com</a>
<a href="http://www.yourgoingtohell.com" target="_blank">www.yourgoingtohell.com</a>
<a href="http://www.godhatesfags.com" target="_blank">www.godhatesfags.com</a>
<a href="http://www.hom.net/~angels" target="_blank">www.hom.net/~angels</a>

I challenge you to find an ATHEISTIC SITE that promotes violence against minorities or theists.

HelenM · 07-25-2002, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Beheaded_Goat:
<strong>Good, David, now that you have gotten all the Bible quotes out of your system, let's look at what Christianity really practices instead of just what it preaches. </strong>

Why not start right here and look at how David Mathews practices being loving right here on this site?

He has lots of posts. It shouldn't be that hard.

Depending how you define love, you could look at such things as whether he is respectful to other people here, etc.

love
Helen

Walter_Mitty · 07-25-2002, 01:35 PM

Ah, but I bet DM will assert that they are not "True Christians".

That is, he asserts any substansive at all...

Kalestia · 07-25-2002, 08:02 PM

Christianity teaches many good things, as David Matthews pointed out. However, there is a difference between what you are supposed to do and what you actually do. Do people sin in the name of God? Yes. And it's sad, seeing people give God a bad name... becuz it makes people think "is this what a Christian really is?" when in fact they are getting the wrong impression.

Beheaded_Goat · 07-25-2002, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HelenSL:
<strong>

Why not start right here and look at how David Mathews practices being loving right here on this site?</strong>

Hello Helen

Thanks for pointing this out. I was actually going to bring Davey himself into it later.
I guess he adheres to Pat Robertson's philosophy:

"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist. I can love the people who hold false opinions but I don't have to be nice to them."

I suppose atheists are even less deserving of respect than the other Christian sects.

07-23-2002, 09:16 PM	#1
Beheaded_Goat Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 65	Love & Christianity Hello Sincerely David Mathews, I am beginning to have doubts about Christianity's devotion to the concept of love and especially the universal love which is commanded by Buddhism and the other great religions of the world. What I want to know: 1. How does Christianity define "Love"? 2. Does Christianity command or advocate "love" among Christians? 3. Does Christianity command or advocate "love" in between Buddhists and Christians? 4. Does Christianity command or advocate "love" in a universal sense? 5. Christianity does not forbid nor even discourage hate. Yes or No? Please explain. 6. Christianity does not forbid nor even discourage prejudice and bigotry. Yes or No? Please explain. 7. Christianity has no command against violence. Yes or no? Sincerely, The Beheaded One

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07-23-2002, 10:02 PM	#2
optimist Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Depending on the week: Miami, Dallas, or Seattle Posts: 101	As I said in my post in Atheism & Love you are creating a false comparison. Hello Sincerely David Mathews, I am beginning to have doubts about theism's devotion to the concept of love and especially the universal love which is commanded by Buddhism and the other great religions of the world. What I want to know: 1. How does Theism define "Love"? 2. Does Theism command or advocate "love" among Theists? 3. Does Theism command or advocate "love" in between atheists and theists? 4. Does Theism command or advocate "love" in a universal sense? 5. Theism does not forbid nor even discourage hate. Yes or No? Please explain. 6. Theism does not forbid nor even discourage prejudice and bigotry. Yes or No? Please explain. 7. Theism has no command against violence. Yes or no? ________________________ Here is an example of how these terms can be used: Secular Humanism vs. Christianity Theism vs. Atheism This is not: Atheism vs. Christianity (I am not a Secular Humanist, but that is one example of the MANY different belief systems under atheism just as there are many different belief systems under theism)

07-24-2002, 09:38 PM	#3
David Mathews Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: st. petersburg Posts: 622	Hello Beheaded_Goat, 1. How does Christianity define "Love"? David: See 1 Corinthians 13. 2. Does Christianity command or advocate "love" among Christians? David: Yes. 3. Does Christianity command or advocate "love" in between Buddhists and Christians? David: Yes. 4. Does Christianity command or advocate "love" in a universal sense? David: Yes. See Romans 13:9. 5. Christianity does not forbid nor even discourage hate. Yes or No? Please explain. David: Christianity does forbid hate, see Matthew 5:43-44. 6. Christianity does not forbid nor even discourage prejudice and bigotry. Yes or No? Please explain. David: Yes, it does. See Galatians 3:28. 7. Christianity has no command against violence. Yes or no? David: Yes, see Matthew 5:38-39. Best Regards, David Mathews

07-24-2002, 10:03 PM	#4
phaedrus Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Indus Posts: 1,038	DM Why dont you go to all the threads you started and respond to what people say?

07-24-2002, 10:11 PM	#5
NialScorva Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Median strip of DC beltway Posts: 1,888	This isn't really philosophy, feel free to persue it further in Misc Religion.

07-25-2002, 01:22 PM	#6
Beheaded_Goat Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 65	Good, David, now that you have gotten all the Bible quotes out of your system, let's look at what Christianity really practices instead of just what it preaches. The Bible itself is much too contradictory to be taken as a serious guide to life anyhow. I'm sure I don't need to go into all of the atrocities committed by Christians. How can you justify the fact that Christianity seems to lead, again and again, to crimes against minorities? <a href="http://www.armyofgod.com" target="_blank">www.armyofgod.com</a> <a href="http://www.yourgoingtohell.com" target="_blank">www.yourgoingtohell.com</a> <a href="http://www.godhatesfags.com" target="_blank">www.godhatesfags.com</a> <a href="http://www.hom.net/~angels" target="_blank">www.hom.net/~angels</a> I challenge you to find an ATHEISTIC SITE that promotes violence against minorities or theists.

07-25-2002, 01:35 PM	#8
Walter_Mitty Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: . Posts: 467	Ah, but I bet DM will assert that they are not "True Christians". That is, he asserts any substansive at all...

07-25-2002, 08:02 PM	#9
Kalestia Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 24	Christianity teaches many good things, as David Matthews pointed out. However, there is a difference between what you are supposed to do and what you actually do. Do people sin in the name of God? Yes. And it's sad, seeing people give God a bad name... becuz it makes people think "is this what a Christian really is?" when in fact they are getting the wrong impression.

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