Steven Carr

John 11
“But, Lord,� said Martha, the sister of the dead man, “by this time there is a bad odor, for he has been there four days.�

Remarkably detailed description of a dead body, repeating stuff everybody would have known already, and nobody would have asked about.

Compare that with how Paul describes a resurrected body to people who demand to know what a resurrected body was actually like.


Paul says :-
'But someone may ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?�'


He never gives first-hand details , saying what people saw, how there were still wounds, how the body could eat , and could be touched, and still had flesh and blood.

It smells suspicious doesn't it? Why doesn't Paul describe what people saw, in anything remotely like the way the Bible describes bodies elsewhere?

Didn't he have any first-hand details?

Compare how John describes a raised body with how Paul does 'The dead man came out, his hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around his face.'

Surely if one writer felt his audience needed such 'first-hand' details of a resurrected body, then Paul would have given his audience such details if he had known them, especially as they were pressing him to give exactly such details.

judge

I think you are confusing a resurrected body with a rescusitated one. Augustine might be a place where one can get some insight into how the two have been historically understood.

You could try

1. Endchiridion chapter 105

2.De Genesi ad Litteram ,Book VI, p.25

3.The Merits and Forgiveness of Sins ;Book 1, p.5

4.City of God Book; XII, p.21

Steven Carr

My apologies.
A resuscitated body is one described by the sort of details , designed to give the idea that eye-witnesses had seen the body.

A resurrected body is one that Paul can find no descriptions that only an eye-witness could have given.

Did Moses at the Transfiguration have a resurrected body or a rescusicated one?

judge

Who says he had a body?

Steven Carr

You mean the disciples were happy to believe that a great prophet could rise from the grave , and live again and be seen, and not have a physical body while doing so?

froggy

I think Moses in the Gospels is a spiritual one, also I think Moses and Gabriel are one of the same person. Gabriel was nowhere mention in the time of Moses but first appeared in the book of Daniel, but that is my opinion.

judge

Sure why not?
Even in one of the gospels after the resurrection Jesus tells the disciples that he had a body and was not a ghost.

From Luke 24