QuestionMark

1> Christianity and Islam are universal religions. Each of them believe that their religion is the only true religion and that the whole world should believe as they do. IOW the non-believers will not go to 'Heaven'.

Judaism is a particular religion for the Jewish people, all others who follow the Noahide Laws (Most US State Constitutions are based on these) will get whatever Jews get, without the burden of following all the Jewish Laws.

2> Christians believe that Jesus was perfect.
Muslems believe that Mohamed was perfect.
Jews have no perfect 'walk the earth' heroes, including Moses.

3> Christians and Muslim spiritual leaders regularly ask their members "Do you believe ...?"

No Jew in any Jewish ritual is ever asked that question. It does not matter what a Jew believes. In fact a Jew may also be an Atheist and be a member of a Synagogue in good standing.


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squiz

Sources for this claim please.

Roger Pearse

I wonder if the original poster would clarify a couple of things for us.

1. Should this be here in BC&H? After all, the post sounds a bit like some kind of bog-standard religious invective directed at people whose belief-systems are different to the poster's, rather than a discussion of antiquity or specific texts. Aren't there other fora for this?

2. Can he document these claims? If not, do we need hearsay?

3. Can it be demonstrated that this very brief post does not omit or misrepresent any of the groups (themselves somewhat variable in belief and practise)? If not, it must be a selection which reflects only the views that the poster has chosen to adopt (which seem rather stale and stereotyped to me).

All the best,

Roger Pearse

QuestionMark

Document: Jewish Bible - Moses mumbles, sins, and is punished

Show us similarities in the NT and the Koran where Jesus and Mohamed are described as having defects.

Do Christians go out into the world to evangelize and convert in order to 'save' those who do not believe in Jesus? Was ther an Inquisition?

Did Muslims convert by the sword?

How many Jews do you kow of who were forcibly converted to Judaism?

Do Muslims call non-believers 'Infidels"?

Have you looked up Noahide?

Educate yourself in 30 seconds on Google or Wiki.

http://www.myjewishlearning.com/idea...ID=12848802522

The prohibition against idolatry refers specifically to idolatrous worship, and not to BELIEFS. In later generations, Jews had to determine whether the prevailing religious cultures in which they lived were idolatrous. Since Islam is strictly monotheistic, Muslims have always been considered Noahides. Since the later Middle Ages, Jews have acknowledged that the Christian doctrine of the Trinity was not the same as idolatry, and they were also recognized as Noahides.

Thus Jews accept Muslims and Christians as Noahides!


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Salam

Even if the gentile didn't believe that the Torah is the inerrant word of God?

Define perfect. In the Quran, God corrected Mohammed for some mistakes he did.

So, will an Atheist Jew go to heaven (according to Judaism) ?

Salam

Show us in the Koran where Mohammed is described as perfect. Not describing someone as having defects does not equal the person is perfect.

Here is the verses where God is correcting the Prophet.

[Yusufali 80:1] (The Prophet) frowned and turned away,
[Yusufali 80:2] Because there came to him the blind man (interrupting).
[Yusufali 80:3] But what could tell thee but that perchance he might grow (in spiritual understanding)?-
[Yusufali 80:4] Or that he might receive admonition, and the teaching might profit him?
[Yusufali 80:5] As to one who regards Himself as self-sufficient,
[Yusufali 80:6] To him dost thou attend;
[Yusufali 80:7] Though it is no blame to thee if he grow not (in spiritual understanding).
[Yusufali 80:8] But as to him who came to thee striving earnestly,
[Yusufali 80:9] And with fear (in his heart),
[Yusufali 80:10] Of him wast thou unmindful.

Doug Shaver

Can you prove that by quoting a Muslim source?

Doug Shaver

No, I don't think so.

I've heard it alleged that they did, but I've never seen the evidence.

Not saying there isn't any, just that I haven't seen it.

QuestionMark

In the Quran, God corrected Mohammed for some mistakes he did.

Did God (severely) PUNISH Mohamed? Do Mulims invoke the name of Mohamed in almost every sentence?
Do Christians, Jesus?
Do Jews Moses?


Even if the gentile didn't believe that the Torah is the inerrant word of God?

Belief is not an issue.

So, will an Atheist Jew go to heaven (according to Judaism \)

YES!!! (If Heaven exists)

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RareBird

You forgot to mention that Jews invented the god that invented the Christians and Muslims.