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Keith&Co. · 06-16-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Self-Mutation

which might be the ossuary (“Bone Box”) of James, the brother of Jesus.

The article itself uses a qualifier. The part of the article YOU QUOTED uses a qualifier.

How in the goddamned hell do you justify the OP title, "100% concrete" with an article that itself isn't claiming 100% surety?

mrunicycler · 06-16-2009, 12:31 PM

Even if I assumed that this was proof, or evidence, of Jesus (which the evidence has shown is rubbish)...

why would I then have to accept that he turned water into wine? Why should I then worship a god that promotes slavery and human sacrifice?

The idea that jesus lived does not equal a necessity in a belief in christianity.

No Robots · 06-16-2009, 12:33 PM

Hey, sorry, man. I checked your posting record and see that you are a Christian religionist. I had thought you were just trolling. It's your name that caused my mistake. What kind of name is "self-mutation" for someone who opposes the theory of evolution? Don't you know that the whole doctrine of mutation is one of the theories' weakest points?

crazyfingers · 06-16-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mrunicycler

Even if I assumed that this was proof, or evidence, of Jesus (which the evidence has shown is rubbish)...

why would I then have to accept that he turned water into wine? Why should I then worship a god that promotes slavery and human sacrifice?

The idea that jesus lived does not equal a necessity in a belief in christianity.

Sorta like whether or not a Saint Nicholas existed doesn't mean that he could fly around on a sled 1,000,000 miles an hour and stuff 500,000,000 toys into a sack on his back.

mrunicycler · 06-16-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyfingers

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrunicycler

Even if I assumed that this was proof, or evidence, of Jesus (which the evidence has shown is rubbish)...

why would I then have to accept that he turned water into wine? Why should I then worship a god that promotes slavery and human sacrifice?

The idea that jesus lived does not equal a necessity in a belief in christianity.

Sorta like whether or not a Saint Nicholas existed doesn't mean that he could fly around on a sled 1,000,000 miles an hour and stuff 500,000,000 toys into a sack on his back.

Or like the idea that bunnies exist doesn't mean one leaves eggs for me to find in the early spring.

or that because I used to find quarters under pillow after losing a tooth doesn't mean that a magic fairy was paying me off...

sorta like that, yeah

gdeering · 06-16-2009, 01:45 PM

As it stands based on your evidence:

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Originally Posted by Self-Mutation

... the Bible was

is

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a book of "nonsense garbage rubbish of nothing but fictional characters and stories?"

I'm glad that's settled, now can we get back to looking at the texts for intellectual/cultural/historical enlightenment?

semiopen · 06-16-2009, 01:56 PM

Kind of a weird line to put on your box.

You'd figure "son of Mary" might have been worth mentioning, if only for the humorous aspects.

Wonder why he didn't mention his wife.

Personally I'm not planning to mention either my parents or siblings on my tombstone, even if one of my brothers does something pretty fucking tremendous.

mrunicycler · 06-16-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by semiopen

Kind of a weird line to put on your box.

You'd figure "son of Mary" might have been worth mentioning, if only for the humorous aspects.

Wonder why he didn't mention his wife.

Personally I'm not planning to mention either my parents or siblings on my tombstone, even if one of my brothers does something pretty fucking tremendous.

I don't think most people get to choose--or rather, got to choose--what goes--or, went--on their tombstone, etc.

aa5874 · 06-16-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Self-Mutation

http://creationwiki.org/James_Ossuary

In October of 2002 the Biblical Archaeology Review announced the discovery of a 2,000-year-old box which might be the ossuary (“Bone Box”) of James, the brother of Jesus. On the side of the bone box is inscribed in Aramaic: “Ya'akov bar Yosef akhui di Yeshua”, which is translated “James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus”. As the inscription was the first historic record found of Jesus apart from manuscripts, its authentication could prove to be the most significant New Testament find in modern times. The original publication of the news was in the November/December issue of Biblical Archaeological Review.[1]

Not bad, huh? I thought the Bible was a book of "nonsense garbage rubbish of nothing but fictional characters and stories?" :huh:

But, according to the NT, it is implied that Jesus had also brother called Jude, and according to Jerome, James was the [b] the son of another Mary, the sister of Mary, the mother of Jesus.

There is not even enough information about that James to claim that there is concrete evidence.

How many persons called James had brothers named Jesus in the 1st century and in what year did James die?

mountainman · 06-16-2009, 04:04 PM

See the proceedings of the trial of Oded Galan for forgery
of the James Ossuary box. Evidence tendered to support
the historical existence of Jesus has been forged for centuries
and pushed off onto the gullible public. It started with the
One True Holy Cross and the Veritable Six Inch Nails which
were uncovered by the earliest christian archaeologist of
the fourth century, and presented to her son.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Self-Mutation

http://creationwiki.org/James_Ossuary

In October of 2002 the Biblical Archaeology Review announced the discovery of a 2,000-year-old box which might be the ossuary (“Bone Box”) of James, the brother of Jesus. On the side of the bone box is inscribed in Aramaic: “Ya'akov bar Yosef akhui di Yeshua”, which is translated “James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus”. As the inscription was the first historic record found of Jesus apart from manuscripts, its authentication could prove to be the most significant New Testament find in modern times. The original publication of the news was in the November/December issue of Biblical Archaeological Review.[1]

Not bad, huh? I thought the Bible was a book of "nonsense garbage rubbish of nothing but fictional characters and stories?" :huh:

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06-16-2009, 12:31 PM	#12
mrunicycler Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sounding trumpets outside the walls of Louisville Posts: 2,242	Even if I assumed that this was proof, or evidence, of Jesus (which the evidence has shown is rubbish)... why would I then have to accept that he turned water into wine? Why should I then worship a god that promotes slavery and human sacrifice? The idea that jesus lived does not equal a necessity in a belief in christianity.

06-16-2009, 12:33 PM	#13
No Robots Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Edmonton Posts: 5,679	Hey, sorry, man. I checked your posting record and see that you are a Christian religionist. I had thought you were just trolling. It's your name that caused my mistake. What kind of name is "self-mutation" for someone who opposes the theory of evolution? Don't you know that the whole doctrine of mutation is one of the theories' weakest points?

06-16-2009, 01:56 PM	#17
semiopen Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hillsborough, NJ Posts: 3,551	Kind of a weird line to put on your box. You'd figure "son of Mary" might have been worth mentioning, if only for the humorous aspects. Wonder why he didn't mention his wife. Personally I'm not planning to mention either my parents or siblings on my tombstone, even if one of my brothers does something pretty fucking tremendous.

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