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Self-Mutation · 06-16-2009, 11:17 AM

http://creationwiki.org/James_Ossuary

In October of 2002 the Biblical Archaeology Review announced the discovery of a 2,000-year-old box which might be the ossuary (“Bone Box”) of James, the brother of Jesus. On the side of the bone box is inscribed in Aramaic: “Ya'akov bar Yosef akhui di Yeshua”, which is translated “James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus”. As the inscription was the first historic record found of Jesus apart from manuscripts, its authentication could prove to be the most significant New Testament find in modern times. The original publication of the news was in the November/December issue of Biblical Archaeological Review.[1]

Not bad, huh? I thought the Bible was a book of "nonsense garbage rubbish of nothing but fictional characters and stories?" :huh:

No Robots · 06-16-2009, 11:25 AM

From the same source:

On October 2008, Judge Farkash advised the prosecution to consider dropping the case after more than three years in court, which would result in a major embarrassment for the IAA and the Israeli police. The defendants (Oded Golan and Robert Deutsch) who have maintained their innocence throughout the ordeal appear to have been vindicated, along with the Biblical Archaeology Review, which consistently supported the authenticity of the inscription, as have leading paleographers André Lemaire of the Sorbonne and Ada Yardeni of Hebrew. University

Hey, self-mutilation: Watch that your attempts at facetiousness don't turn on you.

Self-Mutation · 06-16-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by No Robots

From the same source:

On October 2008, Judge Farkash advised the prosecution to consider dropping the case after more than three years in court, which would result in a major embarrassment for the IAA and the Israeli police. The defendants (Oded Golan and Robert Deutsch) who have maintained their innocence throughout the ordeal appear to have been vindicated, along with the Biblical Archaeology Review, which consistently supported the authenticity of the inscription, as have leading paleographers André Lemaire of the Sorbonne and Ada Yardeni of Hebrew. University

Hey, self-mutilation: Watch that your attempts at facetiousness don't turn on you.

What are you trying to say?

Steven Carr · 06-16-2009, 11:27 AM

We already had ossuaries with the name of Jesus on them.

No Robots · 06-16-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Self-Mutation

What are you trying to say?

While the ossuary may be genuine, it hardly constitutes "100% Concrete Set in Stone 'No Way Around It' Proof of Jesus' Existence".

Self-Mutation · 06-16-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Self-Mutation

What are you trying to say?

While the ossuary may be genuine, it hardly constitutes "100% Concrete Set in Stone 'No Way Around It' Proof of Jesus' Existence".

It's dated to the middle of the first century. (which would be 50 AD for all the math majors here,) Jesus was crucified around 33 AD. So, in the span of 17 years, we have someone making up Jesus' existence, saying he was born to Joseph and had a brother.

That's a lil hard to swallow.

Archaeopath · 06-16-2009, 11:39 AM

Oh dear

Wikipedia: James Ossuary

And from the same article:

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When the ossuary arrived in Canada, it was found to have been broken into pieces (it was subsequently glued back together); one of the cracks runs through the words brother of Jesus, but not James son of Joseph. Although the box is covered with scratches, parts of the inscription appear to have been added after the scratches, while other parts seem to have been added before them (the scratches run through the lettering); additionally, some of the letters seem to have retained their sharpness even though they should have suffered nearly 2,000 years of erosion if they were genuine[7].

crazyfingers · 06-16-2009, 11:47 AM

I was under the impression that Jesus was a rather common name at the time.

Archaeopath · 06-16-2009, 11:49 AM

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I was under the impression that Jesus was a rather common name at the time.

As is James and Joseph. It's like finding something with "Henry, father of Mary" on it from the Tudor period and concluding it refers to Henry VIII.

crazyfingers · 06-16-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by crazyfingers

I was under the impression that Jesus was a rather common name at the time.

As is James and Joseph. It's like finding something with "Henry, father of Mary" on it from the Tudor period and concluding it refers to Henry VIII.

Ya.

06-16-2009, 11:17 AM	#1
Self-Mutation Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wherever God takes me Posts: 5,242	100% Concrete Set in Stone "No Way Around It" Proof of Jesus' Existence http://creationwiki.org/James_Ossuary In October of 2002 the Biblical Archaeology Review announced the discovery of a 2,000-year-old box which might be the ossuary (“Bone Box”) of James, the brother of Jesus. On the side of the bone box is inscribed in Aramaic: “Ya'akov bar Yosef akhui di Yeshua”, which is translated “James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus”. As the inscription was the first historic record found of Jesus apart from manuscripts, its authentication could prove to be the most significant New Testament find in modern times. The original publication of the news was in the November/December issue of Biblical Archaeological Review.[1] Not bad, huh? I thought the Bible was a book of "nonsense garbage rubbish of nothing but fictional characters and stories?" :huh:

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No Robots Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Edmonton Posts: 5,679	From the same source: On October 2008, Judge Farkash advised the prosecution to consider dropping the case after more than three years in court, which would result in a major embarrassment for the IAA and the Israeli police. The defendants (Oded Golan and Robert Deutsch) who have maintained their innocence throughout the ordeal appear to have been vindicated, along with the Biblical Archaeology Review, which consistently supported the authenticity of the inscription, as have leading paleographers André Lemaire of the Sorbonne and Ada Yardeni of Hebrew. University Hey, self-mutilation: Watch that your attempts at facetiousness don't turn on you.

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