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stephan huller · 08-15-2012, 11:27 PM

http://www.authorstream.com/Presenta...-matthew-5-19/

Toto · 08-16-2012, 12:28 AM

Is there a link that isn't a video ?

Toto · 08-16-2012, 01:15 AM

I see - if you stop the video and scroll down, there is a "transcript"

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Presentation Transcript

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Presented by jesuswordsonly.com

Matt. 5:19 :
Matt. 5:19 “Whoever therefore may loose one of these commands -- the least -- and may teach men so, least [man] he shall be called in the reign of the heavens, but whoever may do and may teach them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens.” (Matt. 5:19, YLT.)

“Commands” in Matt. 5:19?the Law or the Prophets :
“Commands” in Matt. 5:19?the Law or the Prophets 17 Do not suppose that I came to throw down the Law or the Prophets -- I did not come to throw down, but to fulfill; 18for, verily I say to you, till that the heaven and the earth may pass away, one iota or one tittle may not pass away from the law, till that all may come to pass.

Law Loosener = Least Man :
Law Loosener = Least Man Whoever “loosens” the “commands” of the Law (Torah) will be called by those in the kingdom of heaven the “Least man.”

The “Least man” in Matt. 5:19 :
The “Least man” in Matt. 5:19 In Greek, “anthropous elechistos” means “Least Man.” In Latin, a name of a man meaning “Least (man)” was Pauxillus . In Latin, the shortened form of “of Pauxillus” is “Paulus.” “Paulus” when transliterated into Greek was “Paulos”.

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sotto voce · 08-16-2012, 03:21 AM

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http://www.authorstream.com/Presenta...-matthew-5-19/

Jesus was the least man.

'They asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"

Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to trust in the one he has sent."'

Jn 6:28-29

aeebee50 · 08-16-2012, 05:31 AM

All this brought to mind http://bible.cc/matthew/20-16.htm. It was an interesting video, but to me Paul was not least, but more of a teacher. I do not see Jesus as least but all. It is a play on words to get people to think and act in correct ways of the teacher.

stephan huller · 08-16-2012, 07:49 AM

I have been trying to figure out the identity of Paul for as long as I can remember. Many people have suggested the origin of the name from Latin for some time but I resisted it because I thought Latin was unlikely to have had a place in the early Church. I have begun to change my mind. The difficult however is that you'd have explain this by one of two scenarios:

1) a Latin speaking apostle who called himself 'paulus'
2) a Jewish Christian who could read Latin and stumbled across an early Latin translation of Paul's writings.

Are any of these likely?

sotto voce · 08-16-2012, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

I have been trying to figure out the identity of Paul for as long as I can remember. Many people have suggested the origin of the name from Latin for some time but I resisted it because I thought Latin was unlikely to have had a place in the early Church. I have begun to change my mind.

Papists will love you for it. But they will be forced to point out that Paul was a rare Roman citizen, and the idea that the Vulgate was the original and best Bible, while pleasing, is unfortunately not a runner.

Peter was the least man.

'You know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers.' 1 Pe 1:18 NIV

Bingo the Clown-O · 08-18-2012, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

Was Paul the 'Least' Man of Matthew 5:19

Yes.

I’d bet that the same author wrote both passages.

outhouse · 08-18-2012, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

I have been trying to figure out the identity of Paul for as long as I can remember. Many people have suggested the origin of the name from Latin for some time but I resisted it because I thought Latin was unlikely to have had a place in the early Church. I have begun to change my mind. The difficult however is that you'd have explain this by one of two scenarios:

1) a Latin speaking apostle who called himself 'paulus'
2) a Jewish Christian who could read Latin and stumbled across an early Latin translation of Paul's writings.

Are any of these likely?

I still place him as a god-fearer from the roman empire.

who's jewishness is up for debate

TedM · 08-19-2012, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

I have been trying to figure out the identity of Paul for as long as I can remember. Many people have suggested the origin of the name from Latin for some time but I resisted it because I thought Latin was unlikely to have had a place in the early Church. I have begun to change my mind. The difficult however is that you'd have explain this by one of two scenarios:

1) a Latin speaking apostle who called himself 'paulus'
2) a Jewish Christian who could read Latin and stumbled across an early Latin translation of Paul's writings.

Are any of these likely?

Don't know. I'm not a fan of these kinds of coded mysterious references, though I'm sure some do exist. They smack of conspiracy thinking, which I'm not fond of generally. However, I do recall that Paul (or an interpolator) refers to himself as the 'least' of the Apostles...(1 cor 15:9)

Jesus is not referring to Peter or himself, as I read it. Rather, anyone who doesn't obey the Law and/or causes others to not obey.

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aeebee50 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 5,810	All this brought to mind http://bible.cc/matthew/20-16.htm. It was an interesting video, but to me Paul was not least, but more of a teacher. I do not see Jesus as least but all. It is a play on words to get people to think and act in correct ways of the teacher.

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stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	I have been trying to figure out the identity of Paul for as long as I can remember. Many people have suggested the origin of the name from Latin for some time but I resisted it because I thought Latin was unlikely to have had a place in the early Church. I have begun to change my mind. The difficult however is that you'd have explain this by one of two scenarios: 1) a Latin speaking apostle who called himself 'paulus' 2) a Jewish Christian who could read Latin and stumbled across an early Latin translation of Paul's writings. Are any of these likely?

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