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Old 03-18-2013, 09:06 PM   #1
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Church and Members: English Translation and Sexualized Rhetoric in the Prophets by Bryan Bibb, Associate Professor of Hebrew Bible, Furman University

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In this paper, I want to raise a few questions about how translators have handled a particularly unruly set of passages in the prophets, Ezekiel 16 and 23. In these texts the prophet compares the sin and judgment of Israel and Judah to the sexual exploits and punishment of promiscuous women. Feminist scholars have demonstrated that these passages reflect ancient patriarchal gender relationships as well as misogynistic attitudes about female sexuality. Much of the debate has been about the nature and extent of misogynistic attitudes and practices in the ancient world. This paper will explore how English versions of Ezekiel reveal translators' continuing discomfort with the physical aspects of female sexuality along with a disturbing propagation of the patriarchal categories of “whores” and “harlots.”
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Ezekiel uses a lot of sexual metaphors, half the time relating to his wife and female children. I've taken it to mean Ezekiel had a Freudian complex. He was internalizing his frustrations about himself as a husband and father, and turning it into a prophesy about YHWH's disobedient daughters (Israel & Judah) being chastised by him. I got the impression that he was unable to chastize his own wife and kids. There are many many men like that wearing red ties in the US Congress right now.

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A very serious article:

Church and Members: English Translation and Sexualized Rhetoric in the Prophets by Bryan Bibb, Associate Professor of Hebrew Bible, Furman University

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In this paper, I want to raise a few questions about how translators have handled a particularly unruly set of passages in the prophets, Ezekiel 16 and 23. In these texts the prophet compares the sin and judgment of Israel and Judah to the sexual exploits and punishment of promiscuous women. Feminist scholars have demonstrated that these passages reflect ancient patriarchal gender relationships as well as misogynistic attitudes about female sexuality. Much of the debate has been about the nature and extent of misogynistic attitudes and practices in the ancient world. This paper will explore how English versions of Ezekiel reveal translators' continuing discomfort with the physical aspects of female sexuality along with a disturbing propagation of the patriarchal categories of “whores” and “harlots.”
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There are many many men like that wearing red ties in the US Congress right now.
I am not, perhaps, the only member of the forum who fails to comprehend the distinction between one villain's tie color, and another's.

1. For those of us, not necessarily infatuated with all things USA oriented, could you explain the significance, if any, of the tie color business? How does the color of the necktie explain whether they support or oppose USA foreign policy of war and aggression?

2. At the time where the Roman senate remained somewhat functional, is it your impression, from the extant evidence, that a broad spectrum of Senators, 2000 years ago, supported the decision to commit men and treasure to the conquest of Palestine?

3. Would the Senate in Roman days of old, have supported the suppression, and execution of Spartacus, i.e. the third Servile War? Would that mean that they were Red tie folks?

4. Can you name even ONE USA senator who supports repayment to VietNam and Korea for the horrendous damage done to those two nations, by the imperialist aggression of USA--How many senators, wearing any kind of necktie, supported the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, based on a completely false report regarding VietNamese wooden fishing boats attacking USA destroyers, cruising within 3 miles off the coast? Would your non-red tie wearing USA senators complain about steel hulled destroyers from a hostile nation, cruising less than three miles from USA borders?

I didn't think so. Stuff it DCH.

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tanya/avi - the proverbial red tie is the "power" look advocated by Mr. Dress for Success, John Malloy. American politicians and political analysts spend an inordinate amount of time on these trappings of power.

Otherwise, please don't abuse Dave Hindley. His post was not about foreign policy.
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tanya,

Thanks for the tirade. Except for the 1st point, I have no idea what you are getting at. I just used an example from US politics. Red is the color of the Republican Party here.

They, mostly old men, just spent about a year ripping apart women as wanton sluts for demanding birth control and equal rights, when any right thinking man should know that a woman is a help-meet who stays home and pops out babies. When the Republican house of representatives created a committee to look into the issue of female reproductive rights they didn't include a single woman, and party spokesmen openly made fun of "feminatzies" and "sluts."

I am sorry that we have such problems to make examples of. Usually, when I encounter an unfamiliar cultural allusion specific to the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand or other countries, I simply make a query on Google (or Bing). All you had to do is search for "US Congress" "Red ties" and "women" for plenty of context.

I don't know, but are you suggesting that this kind of behavior is "OK" in response to an imminent threat to society? And if so, who are you really?

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1. For those of us, not necessarily infatuated with all things USA oriented, could you explain the significance, if any, of the tie color business? How does the color of the necktie explain whether they support or oppose USA foreign policy of war and aggression?

... Stuff it DCH.

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Yep,

Ezekiel uses a lot of sexual metaphors, half the time relating to his wife and female children. I've taken it to mean Ezekiel had a Freudian complex. He was internalizing his frustrations about himself as a husband and father, and turning it into a prophesy about YHWH's disobedient daughters (Israel & Judah) being chastised by him. I got the impression that he was unable to chastize his own wife and kids. There are many many men like that wearing red ties in the US Congress right now.

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