Originally Posted by dongiovanni1976x

Given that neither the Gospel of Peter nor the Gospel of John bear much similarity with the synoptics but both are named after famous apostles, what are the arguments that Christians employ to support the authorship of the latter and to discredit the former?

If dating the Gospel of Peter typically ranges from 100-130CE whereas the Gospel of John spans the years 90-120CE and we put aside any Gnsotic/Nestorian/Homoean/Nicean conflicts, why is one author authentic and the other considered pseudepigraphical?
:huh:

Originally Posted by Vorkosigan

I agree with Andrew on GPeter. It is clearly dependent on at least Mark and Matt. Andrew, what, if anything, implies dependence on Luke?

Originally Posted by andrewcriddle

IMO the general tendency of GPeter to make Herod a major player in the death of Jesus is dependent on Luke 23:6-12 but this is not a matter of direct citation.

The closest direct parallel is probably in GPeter section 4 where one of the thieves crucified with Jesus says "We are suffering for the deeds which we have committed but this man who has become the saviour of men what wrong has he done you ?" compare Luke 23:39-41.

Andrew Criddle

Originally Posted by andrewcriddle

the Gospel of Peter may be parallel to John 21 but it is difficult to be sure.

Originally Posted by John 21:23

So the rumor spead in the community that this disciple would not die. Yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but, "If it is my will that I remian until I come, what is that to you?"

Originally Posted by Dr. Fredriksen

Christ’s resurrection is evidence for Paul that the End is very near. It is a sign that the final days are not merely “at hand,” but have already arrived. It is upon us, he informs his Corinthian community, that the end of the ages has come (ta tele ton aionon katenteken; I Cor 10:11); “The form of the cosmos is passing away” (7:31).
Nor shall this final period extend indefinitely: Paul expects to live to see the Last Days. He speaks of his hope for the transformation of his present body before death (2 Cor 5:1-5), and in light of his conviction, he even feels it reasonable to urge his congregants to forswear sexual activity, “[for] the appointed time has grown very short” (I Cor 7:26, 29). So near is the End that both Paul and his communities are troubled by the death of believers before Christ’s Second Coming: they did not expect this and do not know what to make of it (I Thes 4:13). So anomalous is a Christian’s dying before Christ returns that Paul suggests such deaths may be punitive: because the Corinthians have celebrated the Eucharist unworthily, he argues, many “are weak and ill, and some have died” (I Cor 11:30). …With Christ’s coming, the “dead in Christ” will then rise, to be joined by those still alive at the Parousia (among whom Paul expects to be, I Thes 4:15). "From Jesus to Christ" p58-59

Originally Posted by dongiovanni1976x

Given that neither the Gospel of Peter nor the Gospel of John bear much similarity with the synoptics but both are named after famous apostles, what are the arguments that Christians employ to support the authorship of the latter and to discredit the former?

If dating the Gospel of Peter typically ranges from 100-130CE whereas the Gospel of John spans the years 90-120CE and we put aside any Gnsotic/Nestorian/Homoean/Nicean conflicts, why is one author authentic and the other considered pseudepigraphical?
:huh:

Originally Posted by dongiovanni1976x

Andrew, speaking of John 21 has there ever been any investigation into verse 23? It seems very odd, almost as if it was added later or that there was a rumor floating about and the author of John wanted to clear it up...? Just curious..



Given the late date for the gospel of John it looks as if the immediacy of Christ's return was causing some doubt perhaps...?

Originally Posted by Vox Veritas

Andrew :wave:

Are you referring to GoP:

I. But of the Jews no man washed his hands, neither did Herod nor any one of his judges: and whereas they would not wash, Pilate rose up. And then Herod the king commanded that the Lord should be taken into their hands, saying unto them: All that I commanded you to do unto him, do ye.

II. Now there stood there Joseph the friend of Pilate and of the Lord, and he, knowing that they were about to crucify him, came unto Pilate and begged the body of Jesus for burial. And Pilate sending unto Herod, begged his body. And Herod said: Brother Pilate, even if none had begged for him, we should have buried him, since also the Sabbath dawneth; for it is written in the law that the sun should not set upon one that hath been slain (murdered).