Tenshu

Any thoughts on this? I'm a definite atheist, and I've know this debating world for a while, but this is new to me...

http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/...les/josh2.html

Mageth

Some resources on McDowell etc.:

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...ry/index.shtml

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...n/charade.html

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...in/jesus.shtml

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...dt/factor.html

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...price/son.html

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...t/skeptic.html

More can be found here:

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...shtml#mcdowell

Kosh

From that site:

<snicker>. He should have kept studying. One of these options occurs everyday in human society. The other does not.

Epictetus

Whoever said this could well have studied the same subject for 7000 hours and would still have come to the same conclusion. A simple grasp of the process of verifying history would have eliminated probably 699 hours of useless study. My suspicion is that he did not approach the subject very objectively, but rather was looking for proof that his already formed opinion was confirmed by somebody. :huh:

Clutch

There's such an air of bathos to that 700 hours line -- it's so clearly aimed at impressing people for whom the expenditure of an hour or two on reading, writing, and thinking is exhausting and infrequent.

Chili

Typical, isn't it? He's one of those who is so wretched and evil that he has no rest by day or by night.

WILLOWTREE

http://www.drgenescott.com/thearchives.htm click/subject/Resurrection

What could possibly possess 11 men to die horrible martyr deaths - a lie ?

Impossible !

They died as such because they were following a risen Savior.

They died alone.

They died having the escape hatch of recanting available.

They could of recanted and nobody would ever know as they left that area of the world - they could of said elsewhere how they saved thousands and no one would ever know.

They turned the world up side down.

If anyone can produce ONE shred of evidence which contradicts the claimed facts that they did not die alone for the witness of the Resurrection I will eat this post.

Show me one shred of evidence - just one - I already have researched this - NONE EXISTS because the Resurrection is true.

The Apostles either lied or told the truth - nothing in between.

The objective facts of history leave no room - they were honest reporters who told the truth.

Duke Leto

There is not a single piece of Biblical proof that these individuals were martyred. You are relying on the traditions of the Byzantine and Catholic Churches to make that statement. There is not a single piece of extra-canonical proof that any of them existed. Based on the analogous coinings of Saints and Martyrs with transparently fictitious histories to correspond with pre-existing Roman holidays and Pagan shrines, (ie. Valentine = Luprecal), it is highly probable that they are ALL fictitious.

I recommend mustard on rye with post.

WILLOWTREE

IOW, any source which proves theist claims is not a source/evidence.

This is a philosophic argument.

I already know what atheism believes.

Your outright rejection evidences bias and perceived substantiation of the claims simply has you asserting no evidence exists.

You could fit the entire hominid fossil record in a small box but this paucity of evidence does not in the least thwart your belief in evolution.

The evidence for the Resurrection is voluminous.

Diogenes the Cynic

What is some of this "voluminous evidence" for a "resurrection?" I'm curious.