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Old 08-21-2007, 11:33 PM   #1
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Misquoting Jesus (or via: amazon.co.uk), by Bart Ehrman

On page 160 is a problem one sharp reader pointed out to me.

"According to Luke 2:11, Jesus was born as the Christ, but in one of the speeches in Acts, Jesus is said to have become Christ at his baptism (Acts 10:37-38); in another passage Luke states that Jesus became the Christ at his resurrection (Acts 2:38). How can all these things be true?"

Ehrman repeats that in"Acts 2:38 he became the Lord at his resurrection."

The problem is that Acts 2:38 doesn't say anything of the sort.

Is this a simple typo, or am I missing something relevant?
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Old 08-22-2007, 02:02 AM   #2
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It's a puzzle. Could he have meant Acts 2:36?
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36"Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
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Old 08-22-2007, 10:03 AM   #3
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Misquoting Jesus (or via: amazon.co.uk), by Bart Ehrman

On page 160 is a problem one sharp reader pointed out to me. <snip>
You aren't the only one who suspects a misprint. From here, with my emphasis:

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Ehrman’s appeals on page 160 to Acts 10:37-38 and Acts 2:38 are patently absurd. He claims that in Acts 10:37-38 Luke asserts that Jesus became Christ at His baptism. Of course the text says nothing of the sort: “yourselves know the thing which took place throughout all Judea, starting from Galilee, after the baptism which John proclaimed. You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.” Nowhere in this text does Luke claim that Jesus became the Christ at His baptism. Concerning Acts 2:38 Ehrman asserts, “Luke states that Jesus became the Christ at his resurrection (Acts 2:38).” The text of Acts 2:38 states, “Peter said to them, ‘Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.’” It is likely that Ehrman’s reference is a misprint, and he is referring to statements made earlier in the passage. Going through the earlier verses, there is no statement that asserts that Jesus became the Christ at His resurrection. The closest to this is verse 36 which says, “Therefore let all the houseof Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified.” But here there is no assertion that Jesus “became the Christ” at his resurrection. The statement is simply that God made Jesus Lord and Christ. There is no indication here as to when this appointment took place. Conveniently, Ehrman does not quote these verses nor present any argument or evidence that his understanding of them is accurate or even reasonable.
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As Peter talks about God raising Jesus in verse 32, it is clear that the act of making Jesus Lord and Christ took place after Jesus was crucified.
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Yep, that seems to make sense – it’s a typo, “38” instead of the correct “36”. One can even guess that after just typing “38” for Acts 10, it would be easy to make this mistake. With that, it all makes sense. I’ll copy the verses down for easy comparison:

Luke 2:11
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10But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. 11Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord. 12This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger."
13Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying,
14"Glory to God in the highest,
and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests."
15When the angels had left them and gone into heaven.....
Clearly Jesus is said here to be both Christ and Lord at birth (at least that’s what the Angel says). Two random tangents : “suddenly” in v 13 strikes me as a funny image – POP! Here are gang of singing angels! Whoa, where did that come from??, and two – I hadn’t noticed before it says “peace to men on whom his favor rests”. Sounds like it’s saying “peace only for the chosen of God, the rest be damned.” The CEV translation is more clear perhaps : “Peace on earth to everyone
who pleases God." So, does 2:14 say “peace only to SOME people”?




Ax 2:36/38
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Brothers, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. 30But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. 31Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to the grave, nor did his body see decay. 32God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact. 33Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. 34For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said,
" 'The Lord said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand
35until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet." '
36"Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ." 37When the people heard this,….
This does seem to say that Jesus only became BOTH Lord and Christ at the resurrection, especially since Peter is talking about all this in context of the resurrection.


Acs 10:38
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36You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, telling the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. 37You know what has happened throughout Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— 38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
39"We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem……
This does seem to be saying that Jesus was at least only “anointed with the HS and power” at his baptism (which seems to be saying that he became Christ and Lord at baptism, and that fits the baptism story as well as some early versions of the Gospel (I don’t remember which one), as well as fitting the fact that a group of early Christians specifically did think that.
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