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Freethinkaluva · 12-19-2007, 09:10 AM

I thought folks here would like to know that "The Companion Guide to ZEITGEIST, Part 1" has come out as an e-book.

http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/zeitgeist.html

What are your thoughts after reading this e-book?

gstafleu · 12-19-2007, 09:59 AM

The web page says the book is downloadable, but there doesn't seem to be a link...?

And I thought we already know who Horus and Seth were, they were Goa'uld.

Gerard Stafleu

Freethinkaluva · 12-19-2007, 11:45 AM

LOL, that "Link" would be known as the "DONATE" button.

gstafleu · 12-20-2007, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Freethinkaluva

LOL, that "Link" would be known as the "DONATE" button.

Ah, I see, similar to the Christian idea that you can download the Holy Ghost for free. Perhaps you should call it the "Tithe" button

?

Gerard Stafleu

Freethinkaluva · 12-20-2007, 01:17 PM

LOL, that's a knee-slapper... :rolling:

Have you read it yet? Well, I assume not.

There's some fantastic information in the e-book.

Dave31 · 01-28-2008, 12:39 PM

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"The Companion Guide to Zeitgeist, Part 1, by Acharya S is an absolute must for anyone who wishes to fully understand the significance of the movie."

"Well-referenced, with numerous quotations from renowned Egyptologists and classical scholars, Acharya's penetrating research clearly lays out the very ancient pre-Christian basis of modern Christianity. Those who espouse Christianity beware! After digesting the evidence, you will never again view your religion in the same light."

Robert M. Schoch, Ph.D.
Professor of Natural Science
College of General Studies at Boston University
Author, Pyramid Quest, Voyages of the Pyramid Builders and Voices of the Rocks

http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/zeitgeist.html

GakuseiDon · 01-28-2008, 02:04 PM

Hi Dave,

I don't have the e-book, but I've seen the movie. The movie appears to be a complete pile of rubbish. I'm interested in where the info comes from, but I just don't want to pay good money for it. Do you have the e-book on your PC? If so, I'd like to see what Acharya's references are for some of the more ludicrous claims from the movie.

Note that I don't want you to regurgitate the whole book, I just want to investigate a couple of the more apparently way-out claims (AFAICT) made in the movie. If they pass muster, then I'll definitely get the e-book.

Can you help out with that, please? Let's investigate this together on this thread!

mountainman · 01-28-2008, 02:11 PM

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Many of the elements of the tale, however, could have been found within the walls of the massive Library of Alexandria, where undoubtedly much of the most serious work in creating Christianity, the gospel story and the character of Jesus Christ was committed.

I think Acharya needs to also consider the libraries of Rome
which were liberated from the Roman state after they had
surrendered to the christianity of Constantine 312 CE.

Most ancient historians consider the monumental output of
Constantine's minister for religious propaganda, Eusebius,
occurred between the years 312 and 324 CE, with some
final revisions perhaps 337 CE, when the Boss went to the
underworld, and was buried as the "Thirteenth Christian
Apostle".

So much of the raw material were in Rome. What was in
the rest of the empire were written materials by which
the fabrication of the christian literature could be shown
to be the fiction that it was. Some of these, for example,
could have been the following (as at the year 325CE)

* Flavius Josephus without the TF.
* Books of Origen in which the NT is not mentioned.
* Books of Apollonius of Tyana.
* Books of the the Manichaeans and of Mani (direct)
* Book "Peregrin" of Lucian of Samosata without interpolations.
etc

See particularly the "Origenist Contoversies" which followed
the implementation of christianity by Constantine.

Of course, by the time the library of Alexandria was torched,
we have the writings of the Emperor Julian to be added to
the list -- his three books "Against the Galilaeans".

Also, we have no historian's writing of the rule of the despot
Constantine (oher than Constantinian "Ecclesiastical Historians")
which has survived. Even the first 13 books of Ammianus
(containing the life of Constantine --- and most likely a very
telling obituary) do not survive. His history starts c.350 CE.

The focus for the "serious work in creating Christianity, the
gospel story and the character of Jesus Christ was committed
in an earlier epoch IMO 312-324 CE, in Rome, under the
inspiration of Constantine and in the anticipation of a supreme
victory in the military department for the control of the eastern
empire riches and gold, power and control and authority.

Constantine published the bible c.331 CE.
Wake up buddha!

Best wishes,

Pete Brown
THESIS: Ancient History

Toto · 01-28-2008, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GakuseiDon

Hi Dave,

I don't have the e-book, but I've seen the movie. The movie appears to be a complete pile of rubbish. I'm interested in where the info comes from, but I just don't want to pay good money for it. Do you have the e-book on your PC? If so, I'd like to see what Acharya's references are for some of the more ludicrous claims from the movie.

Note that I don't want you to regurgitate the whole book, I just want to investigate a couple of the more apparently way-out claims (AFAICT) made in the movie. If they pass muster, then I'll definitely get the e-book.

Can you help out with that, please? Let's investigate this together on this thread!

In some lapse of consciousness, I seem to have bought the e-book. I had forgotten about it until this thread, and started to read it. I am half way through, and it is actually very good, and tends to distance Acharya S just a bit from the more unsupportable claims in the movie. But it is a different mindset from straight history.

If you want to check the facts in the movie, you can go online: there is a transcript here with added footnotes.

But compare this

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Originally Posted by Zeitgiest transcript

Broadly speaking, the story of Horus is as follows: Horus was born on December 25th [S14] [S15] of the virgin Isis-Meri.[S16] [S17] [S18] [D] [M] His birth was accompanied by a star in the east [S19], which in turn, three kings followed to locate and adorn the new-born savior [M] [S20] [S21] At the age of 12, he was a prodigal child teacher, and at the age of 30 [S22] [S23] he was baptized by a figure known as Anup [M] and thus began his ministry[S24] [M]. Horus had 12 disciples[S25] he traveled about with, performing miracles[S26] [S27]such as healing the sick[S28] and walking on water[S29]. Horus was known by many gestural names such as The Truth, The Light, God's Annointed Son, The Good Shepherd, The Lamb of God, and many others[S30] [S31]. After being betrayed by Typhon[S32], Horus was crucified[S33] [S34], buried for 3 days[S35], and thus, resurrected.[S36] [S37] [M].

***

[S14] - Massey, Gerald.: The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ, The Book Tree, . Page 39-40
[S15] - Septehenses, Clerk De.: Religions. of the Ancient. Greeks, p. 214.
[S16] - Doane, Thomas.: Bible Myths and Their Parallels in Other Religions, p. 327-328
[S17] - Massey, Gerald.: The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ, The Book Tree, . Page 40
[S18] - Hall, Manly P.: The Secret Teachings of All Ages, 1928. Page 53-56 [Chapter 7: "Isis, the Virgin of the World"]
[S19] - Massey, Gerald.: The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ, The Book Tree, . Page 12-13
[S20] - Jackson, John: Christianity before Christ, AAP, p111-113
[S21] -Walker, Barbara: Women's Encyplodia of Myths and Secrets, p. 748-754
[S22] - Massey, Gerald.: The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ, The Book Tree, . Pages 56-61
[S23] - Massey, Gerald.: Ancient Egypt The Light of The World ,Cosimo Classics, Pages 613-620
[S24] - Massey, Gerald. :Ancient Egypt The Light of The World ,Cosimo Classics, Pages 614
[S25] - Massey, Gerald.: Ancient Egypt The Light of The World ,Cosimo Classics, Pages 600-607
[S26] - Doane, Thomas.: Bible Myths and Their Parallels in Other Religions, p. 256, 273
[S27] - Massey, Gerald.: Ancient Egypt The Light of The World ,Cosimo Classics, Pages 623-661
[S28] - Massey, Gerald.: Ancient Egypt The Light of The World ,Cosimo Classics, Page 626
[S29] - Massey, Gerald.: The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ, The Book Tree, . Pages 74-75
[S30] - Acharya S.: The Christ Conspiracy, Adventures Unlimited Press, 1999. Page 115
[S31] - Massey, Gerald.: The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ, The Book Tree, . Pages 43-47
[S32] - Acharya S.: Suns of God , Adventures Unlimited Press, 2004. Page 93
[S33] - Churchward, Albert: The Origin & Evolution of Religion (or via: amazon.co.uk), Page 135
[S34] - Bonswick, James: Egyption Belief and Modern Thought, p. 157
[S35] - Massey, Gerald.: Ancient Egypt The Light of The World ,Cosimo Classics, Page 628-629

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Originally Posted by Zeitgeist ebook

<repeats the above> except:

...Horus was "crucified," buried for 3 days, and thus, resurrected.

Note the scare quotes. In the e-book, Acharya describes Horus' death, and does not mention crucifixion.

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Originally Posted by Zeitgeist ebook

When reading this type of synopsis of the myth of Horus, one needs to keep in mind that it is the contention of those who claim Jesus to be a mythical construct that bits and pieces of the myths of these various other gods—the "essential parts of the myth," as Cooper puts it—were pulled out of context and woven together to create the gospel story. Again, one does not find this tale as above outlined in an ancient Egyptian encyclopedia, such that the creators of the Christ myth merely scratched out the Egyptian names and inserted the Christian ones. Those who have been attempting to explain the creation of the Christ myth have been compelled to back-engineer the story in order to analyze its components. In other words, in explaining the various mythical motifs used in the gospel story, some have retold the tale utilizing the original god or gods, in a gospel-like manner in order to express those components.

Hence, although the myth of Horus, for example, was not told in this condensed manner, such storytelling is useful to convey quickly and readily that the germane aspects of the Christian myth and ritual were found in Egypt, long predating the common era.

I did check footnote S33, which is available on Google books (check the 2000 version). It is a rather confusing reference to Horus being represented as a crucifixion victim at ruins in Guatemala, with a footnote to the "Arcana of Freemasonry." :huh:

That's what I have time for now. Feel free to try to figure that one out.

But if you want to get into this, I think you need the entire book.

GakuseiDon · 01-29-2008, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Toto

Quote:

Originally Posted by "Zeitgest ebook

Hence, although the myth of Horus, for example, was not told in this condensed manner, such storytelling is useful to convey quickly and readily that the germane aspects of the Christian myth and ritual were found in Egypt, long predating the common era.

I did check footnote S33, which is available on Google books (check the 2000 version). It is a rather confusing reference to Horus being represented as a crucifixion victim at ruins in Guatemala, with a footnote to the "Arcana of Freemasonry." :huh:

An Egyptian god, in Guatemala, Central America??? Amazing.

Thanks for that, Toto. Most interesting.

For Dave31: If you are still around, are there any other references to Horus being crucified that you know about? I've read "Christ Conspiracy", gone through "Suns of God" (which barely mentions Horus, and certainly lists no primary sources). Did Acharya confirm Churchward's research from the 1920s about Horus in Central America? Or did the British get there first, and destroy the evidence?

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12-19-2007, 09:59 AM	#2
gstafleu Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,719	The web page says the book is downloadable, but there doesn't seem to be a link...? And I thought we already know who Horus and Seth were, they were Goa'uld. Gerard Stafleu

12-19-2007, 11:45 AM	#3
Freethinkaluva Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: USA Posts: 78	LOL, that "Link" would be known as the "DONATE" button.

12-20-2007, 01:17 PM	#5
Freethinkaluva Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: USA Posts: 78	LOL, that's a knee-slapper... :rolling: Have you read it yet? Well, I assume not. There's some fantastic information in the e-book.

01-28-2008, 02:04 PM	#7
GakuseiDon Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 5,714	Hi Dave, I don't have the e-book, but I've seen the movie. The movie appears to be a complete pile of rubbish. I'm interested in where the info comes from, but I just don't want to pay good money for it. Do you have the e-book on your PC? If so, I'd like to see what Acharya's references are for some of the more ludicrous claims from the movie. Note that I don't want you to regurgitate the whole book, I just want to investigate a couple of the more apparently way-out claims (AFAICT) made in the movie. If they pass muster, then I'll definitely get the e-book. Can you help out with that, please? Let's investigate this together on this thread!

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