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Old 04-20-2013, 11:23 PM   #1
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Τοιοῦτος ἡμῶν ὁ παιδαγωγός, ἀγαθὸς ἐνδίκως. Οὐκ ἦλθον, φησί, διακονηθῆναι, ἀλλὰ διακονῆσαι. Διὰ τοῦτο εἰσάγεται ἐν τῷ εὐαγγελίῳ κεκμηκώς, ὁ κάμνων ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν καὶ δοῦναι τὴν ψυχὴν τὴν ἑαυτοῦ λύτρον ἀντὶ πολλῶν ὑπισχνούμενος [Instructor 1.9.85.2]
What does Clement mean by Jesus being introduced in the gospel as 'wearied' or 'working'?
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Hence accordingly ensues the healing of our passions, in consequence of the assuagements of those examples; the Paedagogue strengthening our souls, and by His benign commands, as by gentle medicines, guiding the sick to the perfect knowledge of the truth. There is a wide difference between health and knowledge; for the latter is produced by learning, the former by healing. One, who is ill, will not therefore learn any branch of instruction till he is quite well. For neither to learners nor to the sick is each injunction invariably expressed similarly; but to the former in such a way as to lead to knowledge, and to the latter to health.

Ἴασις οὖν τῶν παθῶν ἐνθένδε ἕπεται, κατὰ τὰς παραμυθίας τῶν εἰκόνων ἐπιρρωννύντος τοῦ παιδαγωγοῦ τὰς ψυχὰς καὶ ὥσπερ ἠπίοις φαρμάκοις ταῖς ὑποθήκαις ταῖς φιλανθρώποις εἰς τὴν παντελῆ τῆς ἀληθείας γνῶσιν τοὺς κάμνοντας διαιτωμένου. Ἴσον δ' οὐκ ἔστιν ὑγίεια καὶ γνῶσις, ἀλλ' ἣ μὲν μαθήσει, ἣ δὲ ἰάσει περιγίνεται. Οὐκ ἂν οὖν τις νοσῶν ἔτι πρότερόν τι τῶν διδασκαλικῶν ἐκμάθοι πρὶν ἢ τέλεον ὑγιᾶναι· οὐδὲ γὰρ ὡσαύτως πρὸς τοὺς μανθάνοντας ἢ κάμνοντας ἀεὶ τῶν παραγγελμάτων ἕκαστον λέγεται, ἀλλὰ πρὸς οὓς μὲν εἰς γνῶσιν, πρὸς οὓς δὲ εἰς ἴασιν.[Instructor 1.1.3.1 - 3]

For as the mirror is not evil to an ugly man because it shows him what like he is; and as the physician is not evil to the sick man because he tells him of his fever,--for the physician is not the cause of the fever, but only points out the fever;--so neither is He, that reproves, ill-disposed towards him who is diseased in soul.

Ὡς γὰρ τὸ ἔσοπτρον τῷ αἰσχρῷ οὐ κακόν, ὅτι δεικνύει αὐτὸν οἷός ἐστιν, καὶ ὡς ὁ ἰατρὸς τῷ νοσοῦντι οὐ κακὸς ὁ τὸν πυρετὸν ἀναγγέλλων αὐτῷ, οὐ γὰρ αἴτιος τοῦ πυρετοῦ ὁ ἰατρός, ἀλλὰ ἔλεγχός ἐστι τοῦ πυρετοῦ, οὕτως οὐδὲ ὁ ἐλέγχων δύσνους τῷ κάμνοντι τὴν ψυχήν [ibid 1.9.88.1]
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What does Clement mean by Jesus being introduced in the gospel as 'wearied' or 'working'?
Clement's propaganda suggests that Jesus was working undercover as the "Holy Spirit".

It was a hard job in those days.






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Such is our Instructor, righteously good. "I came not," He says, "to be ministered unto, but to minister." Wherefore He is introduced in the Gospel "wearied," because toiling for us, and promising "to give His life a ransom for many."

Τοιοῦτος ἡμῶν ὁ παιδαγωγός, ἀγαθὸς ἐνδίκως. Οὐκ ἦλθον, φησί, διακονηθῆναι, ἀλλὰ διακονῆσαι. Διὰ τοῦτο εἰσάγεται ἐν τῷ εὐαγγελίῳ κεκμηκώς, ὁ κάμνων ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν καὶ δοῦναι τὴν ψυχὴν τὴν ἑαυτοῦ λύτρον ἀντὶ πολλῶν ὑπισχνούμενος [Instructor 1.9.85.2]
What does Clement mean by Jesus being introduced in the gospel as 'wearied' or 'working'?


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2 aor. ἔκαμον; pf. κέκμηκα Rv 2:3 t.r., ptc. κεκμηκώς =be weary, fatigued can also mean destined to die -- see Wsd 15:9

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no but why does Clement think Jesus is introduced or "enters" the gospel weary
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no but why does Clement think Jesus is introduced or "enters" the gospel weary
What Clement says --- notably as an explanation of why Jesus makes the pronouncement he does at Mk. 10:45 - is that Jesus is presented from the beginning of the Gospel as one who is destined (burdened with the destiny) to die to save (ransom) the many.

Why is this not clear to you?

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I don't yet see either the ransom theme or the notion of weariness at the beginning of any gospel
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unless you count the reference to the "year of favor" in Luke
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but is that a stretch?
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I don't yet see either the ransom theme or the notion of weariness at the beginning of any gospel
Clement doesn't say the ranson theme is at the beginning of the gospel. And you are letting you understanding of the Greek text be guided by an English translation of it. Don't you read Greek?

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