Clivedurdle

We discussed that years ago here! Terry Jones Barbarians! Poor bloke in about 380 goes to have much needed turkish bath in Constantinople and says to the attendant - lovely bath - and gets the response ah but is the son equal to the father.


Isn't this story recorded somewhere on a document?

Chili

That of course has to be true because the father needs the son to make himself known that so is the direct cause for the different mansion in heaven, to even the size of small shit-houses but with no lower level under them for sure.

These would belong to the hawkers and squawkers on the other side of the water that they cannot cross on their own, and there make all the noise to lead the virgin-like innocent believers astray, who can also see the great mansion in the distance and are curious to hear.

Now notice that the filioque is not exactly what his answer was here, wherein the spirit flows from both the father and from the son, that is found post-resurrection in John (20:21), to say that preaching can only be done by those who can show the stigmata as Jesus did there. This so contradicts the Great Commission of Matthew and Mark, and kind of tells them to stay home.

Chili

And I do not want this to come across as an insult but simply to point out their error as anti-Christ, with the concept Christ being the man, once again, no longer human, but fully man. He is re-deemed, we can say, that is paid for by the human-ity he wears as a condition of him (Aristotle's Categories here).

We call this persona, or mask, the Canadian Indians would say, behind which we are man first and foremost, but as human do not really know 'the woman' in us who later in life is the answer to the question: "Who am I [really]," and there must meet Her in person as the 'first principle' of who we are (she is our essence of being in this, while in the end we are God with her being the wherewithal of us = right brain or TOL now as the mind of Christ).

As the essence of our being, she is the Morning and Evening Star and our guide by day and by night and one can write a whole Litany on her, simple because she is who we really are. This then is what the Divine marriage is all about, or hypostatic union, or consolation of life in the philosophic mind where our thousand year reign is at over which she presides as per Gen.3:6, and rules from behind the scene as per Gen. 3:15 that is confirmed later in Luke 1:25 by Elizabeth there.

Be reminded here that the woman is not banned from Eden so that angels can fly, we can say, who so now is also the "queen of Angels" again with Michael being her right hand servant with the dagger on him always ready to charge. The only one above her is Gabriel-of-God who is prior to the human condition pertaining only to the naked animal man and that so is where Mohammad 'blew a hole in his head' as deceiver himself.

From this follows also that humanity is opposite to womanity that is an archaic word these days, as if to say that we as human are fully in charge of our destiny and know who we are.

Let me point you to Gen.3 where the fiery revolving sword is what we call Jesus who is not known until we get there on our own. Of course we heard of him, but not, and never from the pulpit to suggest that we must follow his manners and ways while we are still going West (Dionysius, Involution or Yang).

This so is like a life-long pilgrimage with the shepherd leading the way teaching us manners and duties while on the way out. For this the Cardinal Virtues and Capital Sins are in place to teach right from wrong and they will compliment and convict us in every which way we go on our own. And notice how fluid they are.

Accordingly then, hither and thither we go, as sinners for sure and never as followers of Jesus or Christian in our own right. So really, shepherding is all about TOK material wherein right and wrong is made known as good and bad with no evil about it.

The cherub is Mary, there waiting for us to knock on her door and she will show us the way as the woman who presides over our TOL, for which Plato's motivation was love as opposite to fear for which we need full blooded 'eidetic vision,' this time, that has a sense of maturity about it as if guilty of winning to make losers known with 12 shepherds (telic images) of our own on the go.

This so is what made Joseph an upright Jew among Jews and thus remaining true to his own self = is basically better than 'just good' as animal man, where now 'better than good' is saying that love is the motivational force = no rally event with an evangelist jerking away, or family expectations, or anything that is human in origin at all.

And note please that love here is just opposite to eros or philia and so is agape by design and hence the Gabriel event that is prior to nature in us (and never part of religious duty but only is poised toward that end).

Bottom line. No historical Jesus, no historical Christ, no salvation message needed as native to man but only 'in time' to make eternity known as the woman in us, here now first hand.

My concept of anti-Christ here is only to say that Christians are standing on the rock they are trying to lift.

aa5874

Such an argument makes very little sense if we examine history. Jews were massacred and persecuted over a long period of time. Yet we still have the Jewish religion.

mountainman

Duvduv are you doubting the existence of heretics before the police power of the Nicaean state orthodoxy?





Such as issues of unbelief or belief in (the fabrication of) the Jesus Story?


Conversions by the sword.





εὐδαιμονία | eudaimonia

Duvduv

I am just not that convinced for the wide existence of heretics at all, but definitely not prior to the Constantinian regime.

Iskander

The early Christians were a breakaway Jewish sect which had been declared heretic and cursed.

This heretic and cursed sect brought with them to the tolerant polytheist world of the empire the rabbinic poison of religious intolerance .The mixture of former rabbis and Gnostic visionaries proved to be very unhealthy for Europe.

This is was the poison that the heretic and cursed Jewish Christians sold to the Gentiles:

Deuteronomy 12
12These are the statutes and ordinances that you must diligently observe in the land that the LORD, the God of your ancestors, has given you to occupy all the days that you live on the earth.

2 You must demolish completely all the places where the nations whom you are about to dispossess served their gods, on the mountain heights, on the hills, and under every leafy tree. 3Break down their altars, smash their pillars, burn their sacred poles* with fire, and hew down the idols of their gods, and thus blot out their name from their places.

Clivedurdle

Might Deuteronomy 12 be post Maccabees? How old are examples of heretical thinking like this? Might this be a much later formalisation of good and evil, parallel to Pagel's description of the evolution of Satan?

http://tannerlectures.utah.edu/lectu...s/Pagels99.pdf

Clivedurdle

How many layers of editing are there in the Hebrew and Christian Bibles? Might various groups, especially little splinter ones, been able to insert and delete important stuff over several centuries?

Chili

. . . and finally feed them to the stork so that new life will theirs sooner, delivered in the swaddling cloth that is missing in Matthew for that reason.

Just put two and two together, with the stork legend that carries the baby in a swaddling cloth that is missing in Matthew but not in Luke, and that should tell you what those early Christians were like as heretics already then.

And storks do not lie, please remember, and be nice to the stork and Christian alike, that so is a win-win wherein two plus two is always a good four.