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Old 01-29-2013, 02:59 PM   #1
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Default Does numbers 19:1-12 contain effective soap recipe and hygine instructions?

In a recent debate I was having with a Christian, they mentioned that God provided instructions in the Bible for soap making for purposes of hygine/sanitation, and they used it as an example of the knowledge that could have only come from a divine source at that time. Here is the reference they provided me:

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7 Then the priest shall wash his clothes and bathe his body in water, and afterwards he shall come into the camp; and the priest shall be unclean until evening. 8 He who burns the heifer shall wash his clothes in water and bathe his body in water, and shall be unclean until evening. 9 And a man who is clean shall gather up the ashes of the heifer, and deposit them outside the camp in a clean place; and they shall be kept for the congregation of the people of Israel for the water for impurity, for the removal of sin.

The above ingredients, cedar wood, ashes from the heifer, fat from the heifer, hyssop oil, and the scarlet worm are combined in water and a soap is made. This soap then is stored (rested) in a clean place outside the camp as "water of filthiness".
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http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/8_heifer.html

I'm having trouble finding any analysis of this from a non-Christian source. Does anyone know if this is an effective recipe and instructions for preventing spread of infection and disease? Even if it is, is there anything unusual or special about it, or is it merely knowledge that was common at this time?
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In a recent debate I was having with a Christian
Can that be proved?
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Can that be proved?
Yes. Why?
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Why does God always speak so cryptically? Is He trying to generate confusion and contention?

If He had any sense He'd just state plainly that cleanliness promotes health, you should wash regularly, and here's a recipe for some stuff that will help.

:huh:
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Can that be proved?
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Then can we see proof?

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Why state what is unimportant?
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Why state what is unimportant?
It is important to me. I'll provide you the proof in the form of the link where the discussion is taking place if you provide a sufficient answer as to the relevance.
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Why does God always speak so cryptically? Is He trying to generate confusion and contention?

If He had any sense He'd just state plainly that cleanliness promotes health, you should wash regularly, and here's a recipe for some stuff that will help.

:huh:


When debating with some Christians, subtle logic like this seems to go over their heads
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Why state what is unimportant?
It is important to me.
So why tell the forum?
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It is important to me.
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ok you're derailing a perfectly good thread with stupid questions. please stop.
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There are some notable cases where religious taboos tend to promote health. Presumably these gave some evolutionary advantage to the believers. But that doesn't mean that the mythology behind the taboo is valid or has a supernatural basis.

For example Navajo beliefs about avoiding certain rodents allowed them to avoid the hantavirus. CDC on the hantavirus outbreak of 1993

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The Navajo Indians, a number of whom contracted HPS during the 1993 outbreak, recognize a similar disease in their medical traditions, and actually associate its occurrence with mice. As strikingly, Navajo medical beliefs concur with public health recommendations for preventing the disease.
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