Newton's Cat

Paulos doulos Cristou Ihsous, klhtos apostolos afwrismenos eis euaggelion qeou, o proephggeilato dia twn profhtwn autou en grafais agiais peri tou uiou autou tou genomenou ek spermatos Dauid kata sarka, tou orisqentos uiou qeou en dunamei kata pneuma agiwsunhs ex anastasews nekrwn, Ihsou Cristou tou kuriou hmwn, di ou elabomen carin kai apostolhn eis upakohn pistews en pasin tois eqnesin uper tou onomatos autou, en ois este kai umeis klhtoi Ihsou Cristou, pasin tois ousin en Rwmh agaphtois qeou, klhtois agiois, caris umin kai eirhnh apo qeou patros hmwn kai kuriou Ihsou Cristou. Prwtou men eucaristw tw qew mou dia Ihsou Cristou peri pavtwn umwn, oti h pistis umwn kataggelletai en olw tw kosmw.

Martws gar mou estin o qeos, w latreuw en tw pneumati mou en tw euaggeliw tou uiou autou ws adialeiptws ...

Read the black text in a normal "letter reading" voice, the red text in a "religious fanatic" voice.

spamandham

It's Greek to me.

Newton's Cat

That's the idea ... I'm trying to attract the attention of people who are familiar with the Greek text of Romans. I've posted this several times before - but not in this format.

spamandham

Well, you might try a PM to Ben Smith (if he's still interested in this forum) and Jeffrey Gibson if you're interested in responses involving the Greek itself.

- not to slight anyone else who may also be well versed.

Toto

Romans 1
1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God— 2 the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures 3 regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David, 4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. 5 Through him and for his name's sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith. 6 And you also are among those who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.

7 To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints:
Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is being reported all over the world. 9 God, whom I serve with my whole heart in preaching the gospel of his Son, is my witness how constantly I remember you 10 in my prayers at all times; and I pray that now at last by God's will the way may be opened for me to come to you.

So what is your point?

yalla

Just to muddy the water a little more:
"In this verse [Romans 1.7] the words "in Rome" were absent from the text on which Origen's commentary was based, and also, probably, .....Ambrosiaster's...
The margins of 1739 and 1908 attest the omission of the words from Origen's text and commentary...
The Graeco-Latin codex G....also omits the reference to Rome in this verse..."

Source:
The Epistle of Paul to the Romans" F.F. Bruce Tyndale Press 1963.


There are other omissions of the text referring to "Rome/Romans" at all.

Combined these suggest that the letter may not have originally referred to Rome/Romans.

It seems possible that this epistle was not adressed to Rome but was a 'generic' letter able to be "circulated' to a general audience.

Littlejohn

I think you've hit the mark ... The explanation for this 'strange' behavior, in all probability, it is in this verse of the Epistle to the Romans:

".. First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is being reported all over the world..."

The 'your faith' stands for the cult created in Rome (and not in Palestine!), namely the 'Catholic-Christian' cult. Since this happened between 140-150, it is a clear sign that the notorious 'Pauline epistles' were written up after that date! .. There is a notorius document which, if properly read, provides unequivocal evidence about the fact that the letters attributed to Paul of Tarsus were written long after his death.

Already in the first half of the nineteenth century, scholars of the famous 'Dutch Radikal Kritik' had come to the conclusion that the letters 'of' Paul were written in the second century.

Greetings

Littlejohn

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aa5874

So it was "Rome/Romans" that was interpolated and not "Jesus".

rhutchin

The only omissions are 1:7 and 1:15 (correct?) and these are rare, are they not? Do not most of the manuscripts contain the reference to Rome?

It may be true that, "In this verse [Romans 1.7] the words "in Rome" were absent from the text on which Origen's commentary was based...," but Origen, in his commentary, took the position that Paul wrote to believers in Rome.

rhutchin

I think his point is that the red letter sections were added some time after and were not in the original. Thus, there is a conspiracy to alter Paul's writings to include references to Jesus where he, apparently, never had them.