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Toto · 03-18-2013, 09:00 PM

I caught a lecture by Tom Flynn of the Center for Inquiry yesterday entitled "The Trouble with Easter" and I would recommend it to anyone here.

Free Inquiry editor TOM FLYNN reveals “The Trouble with Easter”

Among the topics: why Christians can't agree on the date to celebrate Easter.

Chili · 03-19-2013, 12:25 AM

Tell him that it is just a Catholic thing for whom the seventh day has arrived and that would be Sunday, every time and will always be that way.

It has nothing to do with Christianity who put Sunday first and will never see the seventh day just because of that. But he would never understand.

aeebee50 · 03-19-2013, 04:56 AM

April 1, 2011. I believe I can not make this one. I will have to ask a Catholic. The only problem I had with Easter was hiding the eggs and keeping the young children from stepping on them.

Clivedurdle · 03-19-2013, 06:08 AM

Catholics got it wrong. Orthodox is correct.

Clivedurdle · 03-19-2013, 06:11 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East–West_Schism

Interestingly, the leader of the Orthodox Church was at the new Pope's ordination. I think that means - as he is the senior worldwide church leader - he ordained the new Pope.....

James Brown · 03-19-2013, 06:46 AM

I liked Flynn's The Trouble With Christmas. I wish I could hear this lecture.

Chili · 03-19-2013, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

Catholics got it wrong. Orthodox is correct.

You could be right, how so?

Chili · 03-19-2013, 08:18 AM

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Vladimir Lossky, a noted modern Eastern Orthodox theologian, argues the difference in East and West is due to the Roman Catholic Church's use of pagan metaphysical philosophy (and scholasticism) rather than actual experience of God called theoria, to validate the theological dogmas of Roman Catholic Christianity. For this reason, Lossky argues that Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics have become "different men".[262] Other Eastern Orthodox theologians such as John Romanides[263] and Metropolitan Hierotheos of Nafpaktos have made similar pronouncements.[264] According to the Orthodox teachings, Theoria can be achieved through ascetic practices like hesychasm (see St John Climacus), which was condemned as a heresy by Barlaam of Seminara.

The heart reconciled with the mind higher than reason alone

Orthodox theologians charge that, in contrast to Orthodox theology, western theology is based on philosophical discourse which reduces humanity and nature to cold mechanical concepts.[265][266] Orthodox theologians argue that the mind (reason, rationality) is the focus of Western theology, whereas in Eastern theology, the mind must be put in the heart, so they are united into what is called nous, this unity as heart is the focus of Eastern Orthodox Christianity[267] involving the unceasing Prayer of the heart.[268]

Totally wrong here as even the heart must be raised to the mind, that so makes asceticism a liability also. As in "get theee behind me satan," Jesus said to Peter, so that Pure Reason can prevail.

Remember here that the mind must be purified and not the heart wherein flesh is flesh is flesh, and therefore the heart itself must bleed to die and let water be its victory . . . or saved-sinners would get to heaven as saved sinner too (and that could never be), nor would Sunday be the Seventh day wherein also pain that relates to sense perception of the heart can no longer be.

Nous is knowledge, and not the heart but life itself must be the unceasing prayer in eternity instead of in the temporal heart. To note here that eternal is a state of mind and not of time.

Clivedurdle · 03-19-2013, 08:39 AM

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Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	The trouble with Easter I caught a lecture by Tom Flynn of the Center for Inquiry yesterday entitled "The Trouble with Easter" and I would recommend it to anyone here. Free Inquiry editor TOM FLYNN reveals “The Trouble with Easter” Among the topics: why Christians can't agree on the date to celebrate Easter.

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Chili Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alberta Posts: 11,885	Tell him that it is just a Catholic thing for whom the seventh day has arrived and that would be Sunday, every time and will always be that way. It has nothing to do with Christianity who put Sunday first and will never see the seventh day just because of that. But he would never understand.

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aeebee50 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 5,810	April 1, 2011. I believe I can not make this one. I will have to ask a Catholic. The only problem I had with Easter was hiding the eggs and keeping the young children from stepping on them.

03-19-2013, 06:08 AM	#4
Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	Catholics got it wrong. Orthodox is correct.

03-19-2013, 06:11 AM	#5
Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East–West_Schism Interestingly, the leader of the Orthodox Church was at the new Pope's ordination. I think that means - as he is the senior worldwide church leader - he ordained the new Pope.....

03-19-2013, 06:46 AM	#6
James Brown Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Texas, U.S. Posts: 5,844	I liked Flynn's The Trouble With Christmas. I wish I could hear this lecture.

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Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024

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