Adam

WW got it pretty close. The last word should be "Atheists", however. I guess I should change it to be "GattA" to be a little clearer without giving offense.

"qT" I mention briefly in my OP bracketed section as "Verses below from Mark I also regard as from Q hidden in the Triple-Tradition, thus qT, closely paralleling what some scholars call the Twelve-Source"
and had mentioned in my sister-thread "Splicing Q and John"

Toto

GATWATHCGATA

The gospel according to what Adam thinks he can get atheists to accept - except Adam doesn't know beans about atheists, or how much offense he gives.

Please stop using that term.

Vorkosigan

Coming next in this process. Adam boasting that no one has engaged or refuted his claims. Go Galileo!

Grog

This looks like DNA Bible code to me.

Adam

No one any longer even claims they have refuted me, and for a much longer time no one has pointed to where anyone did try.

Oh, begging your pardon. People still do claim that academic Consensus scholarship refutes me--mostly coming from the same people who don't believe Consensus about anything else!

Sheshbazzar

Whatever one imagines, one can snip, rearrange, and rewrite Bible texts to make them appear to somewhat support that particular line of imagined horse shit.
Different day, but that same old horse shit.

Adam

[Resuming from Post #2. Anything from Mark is qT (Twelve-Source), from Luke is q1, and from John is the Discourses I regard as written by Nicodemus]
Mark 4:
1 Again he began to teach beside the lake. Such a very large crowd gathered around him that he got into a boat on the lake and sat there, while the whole crowd was beside the lake on the land. 2 He began to teach them many things in parables, and in his teaching he said to them: 3 ‘Listen! A sower went out to sow. 4 And as he sowed, some seed fell on the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5Other seed fell on rocky ground, where it did not have much soil, and it sprang up quickly, since it had no depth of soil. 6 And when the sun rose, it was scorched; and since it had no root, it withered away. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up and choked it, and it yielded no grain. 8 Other seed fell into good soil and brought forth grain, growing up and increasing and yielding thirty and sixty and a hundredfold.’ 9 And he said, ‘Let anyone with ears to hear listen!’
10 When he was alone, those who were around him along with the twelve asked him about the parables. 11 And he said to them, ‘To you has been given the secret* of the kingdom of God, but for those outside, everything comes in parables; 12 in order that “they may indeed look, but not perceive, and may indeed listen, but not understand; so that they may not turn again and be forgiven.” ’
13 And he said to them, ‘Do you not understand this parable? Then how will you understand all the parables? 14 The sower sows the word. 15 These are the ones on the path where the word is sown: when they hear, Satan immediately comes and takes away the word that is sown in them. 16 And these are the ones sown on rocky ground: when they hear the word, they immediately receive it with joy. 17 But they have no root, and endure only for a while; then, when trouble or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately they fall away.* 18 And others are those sown among the thorns: these are the ones who hear the word, 19 but the cares of the world, and the lure of wealth, and the desire for other things come in and choke the word, and it yields nothing. 20 And these are the ones sown on the good soil: they hear the word and accept it and bear fruit, thirty and sixty and a hundredfold.’
21 He said to them, ‘Is a lamp brought in to be put under the bushel basket, or under the bed, and not on the lampstand? 22 For there is nothing hidden, except to be disclosed; nor is anything secret, except to come to light. 23 Let anyone with ears to hear listen!’ 24And he said to them, ‘Pay attention to what you hear; the measure you give will be the measure you get, and still more will be given you. 25For to those who have, more will be given; and from those who have nothing, even what they have will be taken away.’
26 He also said, ‘The kingdom of God is as if someone would scatter seed on the ground, 27and would sleep and rise night and day, and the seed would sprout and grow, he does not know how. 28The earth produces of itself, first the stalk, then the head, then the full grain in the head. 29But when the grain is ripe, at once he goes in with his sickle, because the harvest has come.’
30 He also said, ‘With what can we compare the kingdom of God, or what parable will we use for it? 31 It is like a mustard seed, which, when sown upon the ground, is the smallest of all the seeds on earth; 32 yet when it is sown it grows up and becomes the greatest of all shrubs, and puts forth large branches, so that the birds of the air can make nests in its shade.’
33 With many such parables he spoke the word to them, as they were able to hear it; 34 he did not speak to them except in parables, but he explained everything in private to his disciples.
35 On that day, when evening had come, he said to them, ‘Let us go across to the other side.’ 36 And leaving the crowd behind, they took him with them in the boat, just as he was. Other boats were with him. 37 A great gale arose, and the waves beat into the boat, so that the boat was already being swamped. 38 But he was in the stern, asleep on the cushion; and they woke him up and said to him, ‘Teacher, do you not care that we are perishing?’ 39 He woke up and rebuked the wind, and said to the sea, ‘Peace! Be still!’ Then the wind ceased, and there was a dead calm. 40 He said to them, ‘Why are you afraid? Have you still no faith?’ 41 And they were filled with great awe and said to one another, ‘Who then is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?’
Mark 6:
2 On the sabbath he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were astounded. They said, ‘Where did this man get all this? What is this wisdom that has been given to him? What deeds of power are being done by his hands! 3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary* and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon, and are not his sisters here with us?’ And they took offence* at him. 4 Then Jesus said to them, ‘Prophets are not without honour, except in their home town, and among their own kin, and in their own house.’ 5 And he could do no deed of power there, except that he laid his hands on a few sick people and cured them. 6And he was amazed at their unbelief.
Then he went about among the villages teaching. 7 He called the twelve and began to send them out two by two, and gave them authority over the unclean spirits. 8 He ordered them to take nothing for their journey except a staff; no bread, no bag, no money in their belts; 9 but to wear sandals and not to put on two tunics. 10 He said to them, ‘Wherever you enter a house, stay there until you leave the place. 11 If any place will not welcome you and they refuse to hear you, as you leave, shake off the dust that is on your feet as a testimony against them.’ 12 So they went out and proclaimed that all should repent.
14 King Herod heard of it, for Jesus’* name had become known. Some were* saying, ‘John the baptizer has been raised from the dead; and for this reason these powers are at work in him.’ 15 But others said, ‘It is Elijah.’ And others said, ‘It is a prophet, like one of the prophets of old.’ 16 But when Herod heard of it, he said, ‘John, whom I beheaded, has been raised.’
Luke 10:
4 Carry no purse, no bag, no sandals; and greet no one on the road. 5 Whatever house you enter, first say, “Peace to this house!” 6 And if anyone is there who shares in peace, your peace will rest on that person; but if not, it will return to you. 7 Remain in the same house, eating and drinking whatever they provide, for the labourer deserves to be paid. Do not move about from house to house. 8 Whenever you enter a town and its people welcome you, eat what is set before you; 9 cure the sick who are there, and say to them, “The kingdom of God has come near to you.”* 10 But whenever you enter a town and they do not welcome you, go out into its streets and say, 11 “Even the dust of your town that clings to our feet, we wipe off in protest against you. Yet know this: the kingdom of God has come near.”
16 ‘Whoever listens to you listens to me, and whoever rejects you rejects me, and whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me.’
Luke 11:
33 ‘No one after lighting a lamp puts it in a cellar,* but on the lampstand so that those who enter may see the light. 34 Your eye is the lamp of your body. If your eye is healthy, your whole body is full of light; but if it is not healthy, your body is full of darkness. 35 Therefore consider whether the light in you is not darkness. 36If then your whole body is full of light, with no part of it in darkness, it will be as full of light as when a lamp gives you light with its rays.’
John 8:
E 12 Then again to them G Jesus spoke saying, “I am he Light of the world. The one following me will not walk in Darkness, but will have the Light of life.” 13 Then the Pharisees said to him, “You are testifying about yourself; your testimony is not true.” E 14 Answered Jesus and said to them, “And if I testify about myself, my testimony is true, because I know whence I came and where I am going. You do not know whence I come or where I am going. 15 You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one. 16 But even if I judge, G and my judgment is true because I am not alone, but I and the one having sent me. 17 An even in your law it has been written that the testimony of two men is true. 18 I am the one testifying about myself; the father having sent me also testifies about me.”
E 19 Then they were saying to him, “Where is your father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither me nor my Father; if you knew me, my Father also you would know.” 20 He spoke these words in the treasury (while) teaching in the temple. And no one seized him, because not yet had his hour come. 21 Then he said again, “I am going away, and you will seek me, and you will die in your sin. Where I am going, you are not able to come.” 22 Then the Jews were saying, “he isn’t going to kill himself, is he, that he says “Where I am going, you are not able to come?” 23 And he was saying to them, “You are from below; I am from above. You are from this world; I am not from this world. 24 I said to you that you will die in your sins.” 25 They were saying to him, “Who are you?” Jesus said to them, “Whatever I also told you (at) the beginning. 26 I have many things about you to speak and to judge, but the one having sent me is true, and I what I have heard from him, these things I speak to the world.” 27 They did not know that he was speaking to them (about) the Father.
G 28 then Jesus said “Whenever you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am and I do nothing from myself, but even as the Father has taught me, these things I speak. 29 And the one having sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, because I always do the things pleasing to him.” E 30 When he spoke these things, many believed on him.

outhouse

adam

im afraid your lost in, imagination.

why would any part of the roman gospels contain aramaic, let alone most of what you claim??


these were not poor Galilean jews writing script, it was god-fearing romans


aramaic peasants may be resoponsible for some of the early oral tradition perverted by romans.

but not the roman works were left with.



I think its possible a few works may have existed, only on the basis there should be a select few and they would have been short. The movement failed early on in judaism, that didnt leave much time for aramaic writers to do much of anything. By the fall of the temple it was pretty much dead in judaism.

Adam

You are so hopelessly wrong that there is no point discussing anything with you. You have also proven time and again that you cannot learn anything from anyone else here either. Why don't you post only when you have something well researched or at least new? (I'm not picking on you, the same could be said of almost all the other main posters here. Gresham's Law seems to have taken over here at BCH.)

outhouse

you must be looking in a mirror



it is you going against the educated on the subject, and trying to buck off knowledge no matter how hard it holds on




this is biblical criticism, not the Warner bro's studio, or Disney land where personal Fantasy sells with no real backing other then imagination