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Old 10-25-2012, 09:31 PM   #1
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Default The Gospel of Marcion as the Source of the Gospel of Peter

Professor Markus Vinzent hasn't blogged in a while at his site. His latest entry is quite provocative though:

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A possibility to see the wider impact that Marcion had beyond the Synoptics, into John and the Gospel of Peter. In his recently published PhD, The Gospel of Peter and Early Christian Apologetics, WUNT 301 (Tübingen, 2011), Timothy P. Henderson gives us five synoptical lists of the following Gospels: Gospel of Peter (GP), Mark, Matthew, Luke and John, and he picks literaly parallel verses, put into colums on the basis of GP, hence synopsis of the four canonicals plus GP.

... If Mark had been the source of our Synoptics (and therefore to Marcion, had he copied Luke), why does none of the witnesses follow Mark 16:1 – but all have Mark 16:2 parallel? The verse is attested for Marcion. Why did they not follow Mark 16:3-4, but only pick up Mark 16:5 again? Why, if Luke followed Mark, did he – like the other witnesses pick up exactly and only these verses of Mark 16:2.5, but jumped over verses 16:3-4? When we look at Marcion, only he produces exactly these verses as a continuous text (Marcion 20:1-2) which are present as parallels in all 5 other witnesses. http://markusvinzent.blogspot.com/20....html?spref=fb
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Professor Markus Vinzent hasn't blogged in a while at his site. His latest entry is quite provocative though:
Thank you for the link to Vinzent's web site.

Neither of you provided the essential link to the Marcionist text, from which Vinzent's analysis has been derived, a modification, as he has noted, of a comparable chart contained within a recently submitted doctoral thesis from Tubingen, by Timothy Henderson.

Absent Melissa Cutler's excellent travail, I would have had no idea what the two of you were rambling on about.

Vinzent proposes, in harmony with, (despite failing to acknowledge), 19th century author, Charles B. Waite, (a federal judge from Illinois, appointed by President Lincoln to serve in Salt Lake City, Utah, USA), that Marcion's Evangelion (gospel) precedes, rather than follows, Luke, and the other gospels.

I find this idea, both appealing, and believable, but, I do have a couple of questions:

a. Can the same conclusion be drawn, with respect to the Apostolicon (epistles) written ostensibly to Galatians and Romans? Were those two components of Marcion's original bible also published separately, after their inclusion as components of Marcion's text? In plain English, was Marcion the source for "Paul's" epistles, as Vinzent proposes for the gospels? If not, then, Vinzent's (and Waite's) idea that Marcion's text precedes genesis of the gospels loses some of its appeal.

b. Was Charles B. Waite a Mormon? This is not unimportant in view of the forthcoming presidential election in USA. The situation may not be well understood, here at BC&H, but the USA was embroiled in a civil war, and the mormons were hostile to the federal government, hence, sympathetic to the confederacy. They ran the federal judges out of town, and Lincoln appointed Charles B. Waite to replace one of them. Here is the comment of a Colonel in the USA military (i.e. a northerner), not exactly unbiased:

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It would be impossible for me to describe what I saw and heard in Salt Lake. So as to make you realize the enormity of Mormonism suffice it that I found them a community of traitors, murderers, fanatics, and whores. The people publicly rejoice at the reverse to our arms and thank God that the American government is gone as they term it, while their prophet and bishops preach treason from the pulpit. Federal officers are entirely powerless and talk in whispers for fear of being overheard by Brigham's spies. Brigham Young rules with despotic sway and death by assassination is the penalty of disobedience to his command.
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