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Old 07-10-2012, 08:15 AM   #21
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In order to understand the Jesus story one must FIRST know read what the authors of the Jesus Christ story wrote--not what is imagined.

The Jesus Christ story is about the EXPECTED Christ--the EXPECTED Messianic ruler--the EXPECTED King of the Jews.

Please read Sinaiticus gMatthew to uderstand that "Christ" means "the King of the Jews".

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1 But after Jesus had been born in Bethlehem of Judea, in the days of Herod the king, behold, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem,

2 saying: Where is he that has been born king of the Jews?
For we saw his star at its rising, and have come to worship him.

3 And hearing it, king Herod was alarmed, and all Jerusalem with him.

4 And he assembled all the chief priests and scribes of the people, and inquired of them where the Christ should be born.
The NT Canon is about Jesus the King of the Jews--not a scarcely known itinerant preacher.
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Old 07-10-2012, 08:41 AM   #22
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In order to understand the Jesus story one must FIRST know read what the authors of the Jesus Christ story wrote--not what is imagined.

The Jesus Christ story is about the EXPECTED Christ--the EXPECTED Messianic ruler--the EXPECTED King of the Jews.

Please read Sinaiticus gMatthew to uderstand that "Christ" means "the King of the Jews".

Matthew 2
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1 But after Jesus had been born in Bethlehem of Judea, in the days of Herod the king, behold, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem,

2 saying: Where is he that has been born king of the Jews?
For we saw his star at its rising, and have come to worship him.

3 And hearing it, king Herod was alarmed, and all Jerusalem with him.

4 And he assembled all the chief priests and scribes of the people, and inquired of them where the Christ should be born.
The NT Canon is about Jesus the King of the Jews--not a scarcely known itinerant preacher.
Yes and all this literature came out sometime after jesus died. During his life all this was unknown. It was unknown that there was a star over Bethlehem it was unknown that Herod wanted him dead.
All the HJ theory has is a first name,plausibility and a lot of imagination.
Erhman says in his book; Let's say that Jesus existed, what can we say about his life?
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Old 07-10-2012, 09:50 AM   #23
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Yes and all this literature came out sometime after jesus died. During his life all this was unknown. It was unknown that there was a star over Bethlehem it was unknown that Herod wanted him dead.
All the HJ theory has is a first name,plausibility and a lot of imagination.
Erhman says in his book; Let's say that Jesus existed, what can we say about his life?
What??? The literature about the death of someone usually comes out AFTER, AFTER the person is dead.

The Pauline writer claimed the King of the Jews was ALIVE when he wrote his letters.

And how is it that HJers ARGUE that Antiquities of the Jews 20.9.1 is authentic and that Josephus was AWARE of the character called Jesus the King of the Jews???

Are you NOT aware that Ehrman argues that Paul was a supposed CONTEMPORARY of Jesus who is called the King of the Jews OVER 300 times by Paul???

Ehrman claims that stories in gMark ORIGINATED in Aramaic so are likely to be historical.

Once Jesus did EXIST and his contemporaries like Paul, Cephas, John, James, Barnabas, Andronicus, Aquilla, Priscilla, Lucas, Marcus and others did call Jesus the King of the Jews then it really does not matter when any other book was written.

It really would NOT matter much who first wrote a book about President Obama if Obama did exist and was President of the USA

Now, whether the story about Jesus the King of the Jews in the NT is Fiction or Not Ehrman is Still an INVENTOR.

Ehrman was Busted as soon as he claimed Jesus was a scarcely known itinerant preacher--there is NO such history in ALL of antiquity.

Please, the Pauline King of the Jews was WELL KNOWN since the time of King Aretas c 37-41 CE if the Pauline writings are history.

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7 to all that are in Rome, beloved of God, called saints. Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ concerning you all, that your faith is spoken of in all the world.
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21 After that I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia,

22 but was not known personally to the churches of Judea that were in Christ...
There were ALREADY Churches UNDER the name of the KING of the JEWS BEFORE the Pauline writer started to preach the Faith.

Ehrman is BUSTED once he claims Paul was a Contemporary of Jesus Christ--the KING of the JEWS.
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aa5874: this is all quite pointless. Ehrman and most secular bible scholars think that the stories about the crowds that followed Jesus and the stories about his fame were legendary development - i.e., not true, possibly not even intended to be true. They think that the historical Jesus was an obscure nobody, but his followers elevated him to importance.

If you want to attack this position, at least understand it.
Toto has been Busted. Ehrman claimed it is most likely to be TRUE.

In "Did Jesus Exist?" page 188 by Bart Ehrman it is claimed that it is highly improbable that the Jewish followers of Jesus made up the claim that the MESSIAH was crucified.

"Did Jesus Exist?" Page 188—
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We saw in an earlier chapter that it is highly improbable that the earliest Palestine Jewish followers of Jesus would have made up the claim that the messiah was crucified.
Ehrman has CONTRADICTED himself very badly.

1. Jesus was a scarcely known itinerant preacher.

2. The followers of Jesus did NOT make up the claim that the Messiah was crucified.

If Jesus did exist and was called the Messiah by his Jewish followers as Ehrman proposes then he was NOT a scarcely known itinerant preacher.

Ehrman has been Busted.

HJ, if he did live, was NOT an itinerant preacher--he was called the King of the Jews--the prophesied Messianic ruler.
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