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Old 04-05-2006, 02:50 PM   #1
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Default The SIGN OF THE LAMB is the exact opposite of the sign of the beast

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The SIGN OF THE LAMB is the exact opposite of the sign of the beast[the sign that is made with the right hand at the height of the forehead; the Roman cross].



He that is not with me is against me,

and he that gathers not with me, scatters



The Roman cross is the maximum distance of separation between both hands.


The Sign of the Lamb is the maximum gathering approach between both hands.



Take a lamb, ram, or even a heifer, and try to separate their hands(or; hoofs), as if you were tying their hands(or; hoofs) in two opposite directions. You will see that it is impossible; for their arms do not open all the way … like the arms of a cat or a leopard.

The title LAMB OF ELOHIM also implies about the manner that Yahshua was suspended, like a lamb, both of His hands gathered together and tied with ropes, above His head, to a Hebrew green tree.

The hidden treasure in the field of the Scriptures, for whenever it is said:

and Aaron and his sons shall put the hands of the lamb upon the head of the lamb;


the today’s scribes and interpreters do not realize that, according to the Law as originally written, the hands[or hoofs] of the lamb, ram, or heifer were actually gathered and tied together above its head to a tree before it can be slaughtered.


The offerings of lamb, ram or heifer were offerings of total HOLINESS/KADDHESH to YAHWEH, and for that, the offerings required a Holy[Separated] procedure even the placing and tying of the hand of the lamb above the head of the lamb.

The whole idea of someone holding the animal in a way other than the one that is attested in the Books of the Law[as originally written], would only coincide with the ways of a butcher, who daily slaughters the animals for sell, in a common way, [without putting its hands upon its head] which cannot be attributed to HOLINESS/KADDHESH for YAHWEH.


From the “Versions” of the reality:

**And Jehovah spoke to Moses, saying,
**Lead the blasphemer outside the camp; and all that heard [him] shall place their hands upon his head, and the whole assembly shall stone him.


Scriptures as originally written:

And Yahweh/Jehavéh spoke to Mosheh, saying,
Lead the blasphemer outside the camp; and all that heard [him] shall put his hands upon his head, and the whole assembly shall stone him.


If all who heard the blasphemer must put their own hands upon his head, then who will do the stoning?
And would not those who had to put their own hands upon the blasphemer’s head, then be in harm’s way during the stoning?

The blasphemer would have to be secured before the actual stoning or then he/she will obviously flee.

Whenever it is said that they shall put his hands upon his head, they shall put his hands gathered, tied together with ropes, above his head to a tree; as it is said: Cursed is everyone who is suspended on a tree;


his body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day (for he that is suspended is a curse of Elohim); and thou shalt not defile thy land, which Yahweh thy Elohim giveth thee for an inheritance.

Other translation/ don't leave his dead body tied overnight to the tree. Give him a decent burial that same day so that you don't desecrate your Elohim-given land - a man tied to a tree is an insult to Elohim.


Have you ever asked yourself why in the Scriptures there is no mention of the two robbers carrying their crosses? Because the Roman Empire did not make disposable crosses. The crosses (or; their vertical pole) for the two robbers were already waiting for them.

Now, by not having disposable crosses there, but rows of crosses available that remained in the hills as a symbol of the Roman empire occupancy, it is clearly understandable that all those crosses were now dry wood. Not heavy nor green but simply dry wood.


If the Lamb was actually carrying a cross or part of it, then the term “green wood” would NOT be brought up by Him in that exact moment:


For if in the green wood they do these things, what shall be done in the dry?


A different type of Law required a different type of wood; the term green wood would not have been spoken by Him if it were not directly related to what He was carrying.


And why would a new type of wood be required just for Yahshua and not for the two robbers?


Those two robbers were not judged by the Sanhedrin, but indicted by Roman laws, which utilized the Roman cross. And as their crosses were already there, it leaves clear evidence that a different type of wood had been required for Yahshua Who was indicted by a different type of Law, which was the Law of the Sanhedrin.


Everyone who calls upon the Name that remains eternally of Yahweh of the Hosts, by making the sign of the lamb, receives the Paraclete/Holy Spirit, and becomes prepared, even to revise Scriptural versions or translations in order to establish an accurate rendering of the passage(s). As it is said in a certain place that “everyone shall be taught by the Higher”, not by the man. Even a certain musician has perfectly stated what the term “dogs” spiritually means:

who is told what to do by the man

A similar statement is found in the Scriptures:

Thus saith YAHWEH: Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh his strength from the flesh of his arm.


The man says to the dog “do this” and the dog does; Thus also does act who ever does subject him/herself under the imposed doctrines that are ministered by many mercenary pastors and many corruptible hierarchies of masters that call themselves “spiritual fathers” or “spiritual masters’.

The instructions of the Lamb are to be interpreted spontaneously; not spiritually forced nor spiritually imposed. For lambs are docile and gentle creatures. But leopards and the bears do represent a doctrine that is spiritually forced and imposed. The doctrines[beasts] do always impose their interpretations in order to devour the sheep’s understanding, as if a beast[imposed doctrine] was not ministered by non-infallible sons of men. That is why the representatives of the doctrines[beasts] try to convince the sheep that no sheep has the right to interpret a Scriptural Text him/herself.


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Default How is a doctrine spiritually imposed?

A doctrine is spiritually imposed whenever it is said that the definition of being Eternal[Everlasting] could be attributed to something that is not the Eternal Words themselves but a belief or a system of beliefs.


The sons of men, who are representatives of a spiritual doctrine, do present the doctrine as if it was the eternal words themselves. But they refuse to represent the doctrine whenever it comes to be inquired before the Eternal Words of the Scriptures. In other words, they take the words of the doctrine over and above the words of the Eternal.

And by doing so they even deny the actual definition of the word doctrine. For a doctrine is not the same as the Eternal Words themselves, but simply a belief or a system of beliefs.


The definition of the word doctrine: – A doctrine is a belief or a system of beliefs which is authoritative by certain groups.


If the sons of men don’t like the actual definition for the word “doctrine”, which is attested in the dictionary, why don’t they change it by their own interpretations [as they did with the Sefer Tehilim and often do with the Lamb’s instructions] according to the will of their belief or system of beliefs?

1. The definition of the word doctrine cannot be the same as "the eternal words of the Scriptures themselves".


Word Reference: - a belief (or system of beliefs) accepted as authoritative by some group.
Webster Merriam: - the body of principles in a system of belief.
According to the Truth brought by the Dictionaries,

2. A doctrine cannot represent itself, therefore it only could be represented by sons of men.


According to the Truth brought from the Scriptures,


3. The eternal words can represent themselves and they are represented by the Holy Spirit.


4. the eternal words were given from the heaven above.


5. the doctrines[or; beasts] were raised up out of the souls of men [sea] and out of the heart of men [earth].


According to Revelation, a doctrine is spiritually like a leopard with feet of a bear that does its imposing by intimidating one's understanding and it was created to do this to the sheep who will not listen to the Eternal words alone; who ever will listen to a Version of the scriptures, rather than the scriptures as originally written as it was quoted before, elsewhere, in a certain place:


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Delusion: The lamb was indicted by Roman laws.
Reality: Pilate’s words remained the same: “I find no basis for a charge against him.”


Delusion: Pilate presided at a trial.
Reality: A second trial would invalidate the authority of the High Priest and of the Sanhedrin before the eyes of the Hebrew people, and would violate the Law that attests “One only Law shall be to him who is born at home, and to the stranger who lives as a foreigner among you”. The fact of asking the lamb five questions doesn’t mean that Pilate held the intention of presiding at a trial. A second trial by the invader’s laws was not what the High Priest asked Pilate to do.


Delusion: The lamb was held prisoner inside the Praetorium.
Reality: The lamb was not Pilate’s prisoner; the Praetorium was the headquarters of a military unit, not a trial Court.


Delusion: Pilate gave in because he was concerned about revolt and conveyed the death sentence.
Reality: His wife sent to him, saying: Have thou nothing to do with that just man; for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.


Delusion: The High Priest asked Pilate to have the lamb nailed to a cross.
Reality: The High Priests’ words remained the same: “We have a Law and he shall die according to our Law; because he made himself Jehavéh [I AM] the Anointed of Ishrael.” The word ‘cross’ does not exist in the books of the Law and of the Prophets, and of the Psalms. The roman cross was the symbol of the roman occupancy and had the shape of a roman sword. To the Hebrew people and the High Priests the roman cross represented Ishrael’s subjection and humiliation before the invader, the Roman empire.


Delusion: Pilate had the lamb crucified.
Reality: He released the man who had been thrown into prison for insurrection and murder, the one they asked for, and surrendered Jeh-óshua to their will: that he was suspended [his hands tied together above his head to a green Hebrew tree] according to the Law.


Delusion: The Hebrew trial by the Sanhedrin was completely illegal.
Reality: These are the words which I spoke to you, while I was yet with you, that all things would be fulfilled in me, which are written in the books of the Law and in the books of the Prophets.



1. Why in the ordinations that were left to the Roman church would the words 'cross, nails, crucify' have to be inserted in the place of the words 'tree, chords, suspend' in the Versions of the scriptures?


If there is a beast like a leopard, not being a real creature but, an illustration of an imposed doctrine that would have to open its mouth in *blasphemies against the Eternal, to blaspheme the Tabernacle [of His body], then it would be reasonable that a substitution of words had to be a part of those ordinations; because the doctrine upon which the ‘Mother’ church is sitting, wouldn’t be a scarlet [obscure] beast [doctrine] and there wouldn’t be **blasphemy against the Tabernacle [body] of the lamb, if in truth the same body belonging to the Holy Spirit had been nailed to a cross of the Roman empire, instead of having both hands tied together with chords to a Hebrew tree attested in the books of the Law and of the Prophets, and of the Psalms.


* blaspheme [definition], spiritually; 1. whenever Holiness and Eternity belonging to Whom is the Completeness of the Holy Spirit are attributed to something or someone which is not intrinsically Holy nor Eternal.


** blasphemy against the Tabernacle [body] of the Holy Spirit; [definition], spiritually; 2. whenever it is said that the Holiness to which the Tabernacle of His body had been separated [or sanctified] to die, could be applied to a law other than the Law in which abided the Holiness that was required to the fulfillness of all the Law.


Scriptural bestiae’s doctrinal image: “..are you the son.. ?”

- was the lamb condemned by pronouncing the words “I son of El” [bar-Yah in Hebrew]; or by pronouncing the KADDHESH of the tetragram..

for the Law does not condemn anyone by saying "I son of El". Even the statement which belongs from the doctrine of those High priests has always been that “all the human beings are sons of El”.


Pilate and the High Priests.


- What accusation do you bring against this man?
- If this man weren’t our prisoner, we wouldn’t have brought him up to you.
- Then why don't you take him yourselves, and judge him according to your law?
- We have been impeded from executing a sentence to death with our own hands.


The reason why the High Priest’s went before Pilate. The High Priests already had sentenced Him to death, and the only barrier that impeded them from tying His hands together above his head to a post was the presence of the roman army. Judea had been invaded by the Roman empire and Pilate was the representative of the invaders; to which he was given the title ‘Pontius’ which means ‘commander’ of the Praetorium.

Only the Romans had the right;

- to appoint and crown the kings.
- to demand unpaid help from the Hebrew population.
- to ask anyone to serve them.
- to impose the death penalty.
- to cause to cease any death penalty.


- My Kingdom is not of this age. If my Kingdom were of this age, then the Hebrews would fight, that I wouldn’t be delivered to the roman soldiers. But now my Kingdom is not from this age.

Scriptural bestiae’s doctrinal image: “..would fight, that I wouldn’t be delivered to the Hebrews..”

[The lamb was being delivered to the roman soldiers].


The Hebrew people would want him to release Barabbas, for they knew that the lamb was not Pilate’s prisoner, neither was the lamb accused by him, not even the commander of the Praetorium [Roman military unit] could invalidate a Sanhedrin’s authority.
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That;s a new one.

The argument from farming

You can't pull a cows hooves apart.
Therefore God exists.
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Don't knock the argument from farming! I love lambs, especially with mint sauce and mashed potato.

Lamb and mashed potato mmmmmmmmm.....

I suppose I should make some sort of valid response, to ensure that I am not seen as providing an unsophisticated ignorant response.

uuuuuhhhhmmmmm....

Nah! I'll risk it.

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Default REVERENCE to the type of number that proceeded from the beast

There's an instruction in the last book of the Scriptures that says ‘he/she that hath the understanding, let him/her count the number of the beast’. I hope this may help you encounter where the type of number belonging to the beast abides, as well as what type of understanding the instruction does require.

For the number of the beast is not just the trine of six that was founded twice in the old version of the man's name KRISTUS IESUS which belongs to the scarlet[obscure] beast[imposed doctrine],

but it is also the type of number that is required to buy[or; harvest] souls through the selling[publishing or preaching] of the scriptural texts in the bibles[versions] of the Scriptures.



And every day the numbers of verses and chapters are continuously quoted, pronounced and memorized as if they were already part of the eternal words, but the chain that is called "cross reference of verses and chapters" is a "reverêntia-numerale-versetto-capitolare", which spiritually means reverence to the type of number which was imposed to the Scriptural texts, with the help of the servants of the Cardinals, the "spiritual fathers" of the Roman Catholicism[bestiae doctrine] upon which sits the "holy" Mother prostitute-church Gothic Babilonique Romanesque.


To the Latin rooted word revere was attributed the meaning of to review [to view again], as well as in the Roman language, to the word revere was attributed the meaning of to view heedfully, view with attention.

Proceeding from the same Roman root ‘revere’, the word ‘reference’ became the act of referring or directing attention to that which is respective or respected,

while ‘reverence’ became the act of directing the attention with a profound respect.

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Reference – the attention is in the action of respecting to that which is respective.

Reverence – the attention is in the manner that the action is being respective.

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Spiritually there is no difference, because if the reference is not just a reference but a type of number that, when quoted or pronounced, makes believe that a fragment of text is actually written in the Scriptures, then there is a spiritual reverence being made through that type of number,

because it is the spiritual attention what is being directed in the manner that the numbers of verses and chapters are quoted, pronounced and memorized.


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The Scriptures were originally written in the Hebrew sequence, right to left, without breaks of verses and chapters. A version of the New Testament was first divided into verses in *1551 in Greek, and in *1560 an English translation was entirely divided into the verses that still are found today.


The work of inserting numbers of verses and chapters in the versions of the Scriptures, was supported and paid with the resources proceeding from the throne of the dragon. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, it was a procedure which required the "authorization" and supervision of a Cardinal.

And if the work, of inserting in the "versions" the type of number which belongs to the spiritual ordinations that were left to the Roman church, was patronized and supported with the defiled money of a "holy" Mother prostitute church, then,

Is the use of the type of number of verses and chapters worth the time that you could profit by quoting or pronouncing it in the same exact time that the eternal words of JEHAVEH are being quoted or pronounced?


In other words, when you quote those numbers of verses and chapters at the same exact time that you quote or pronounce the eternal words of JEHAVEH, would this procedure spiritually be worth the time that you do profit by using the type of help which originated from the throne of the dragon?


Is your procedure spiritually worth the time that you profit?


What have I been doing anyway..rejecting the Scriptures? Or rejecting whatever does not coincide with the Law of the Testimony, the Prophets and the Psalms, as well as a lot of things that are imposed to people by the doctrines which the sons of man have taken over and above the eternal Words of JEHAVEH alone?

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No need to throw out your version of the bible because all that would be needed to do is to omit using the type of number of the beast,

unless you consider that those numbers that have been inserted hold the honor to remain side by side with the eternal Words that require total HOLINESS to JEHAVEH?


If we know that Names have been omitted and replaced in the New Testament, what makes one believe that no other words have been replaced, when those substitutions of words do also fulfill the prophecies in Revelations?
How do I know what translations are carrying those things that belong to those spiritual ordinations of the Vatican?

The number does identify the source. If it has its number, and if History says that it was authorized by a Cardinal of the Roman Catholicism then..just ask yourself, who inserted the numbers of verses and chapters into the Scriptures?

The type of number for cross-references, if coming from that same source, also identifies to whom it spiritually belongs to.
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Well then. That, um, explains everything, doesn't it? Sort of. OK, not really. WTF?

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Well... it looks like english...

Is there a language called............., oh never mind! I'll just finish up with a PM.

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