SkepticJ

This is my general Bible criticism thread. I'll only be on here every few days so fill in for me when I'm not here. Here we go.........

Rev. 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.<-----Jesus speaking


If Jesus is God why does He refer to God as "my God"? Wouldn't one want to say "I will make a pillar in my temple......"?

Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Now pathetic apologetics could say Jesus was quoting Psa 22:1, but why would he do that? If he is God is it not asinine that he quotes this when he was in pain? If I'm in great pain I'm not going to say "SkepticJ, SkepticJ, why have you forsaken me?!" A fitting thing for Jesus to have said would have been the Yiddish version of "Holy shit this hurts!"; or nothing at all. Are godmen pansies?




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Fortuna

Dear Skeptic,

Reading over that verse from Revelation, it occurs to me that that is a "gawd awful" english translation. No, I'm not talking about being true to the greek, nor quality of translation, I'm talking about the english !

Now, I'll be the first to admit that my english isn't great, but I can hardly believe that that verse comes from a professional translation.

At the very first word - Isn't "him" a direct/indirect/posessive object pronoun ?
Or is a preposition missing here ?

Why the mixing of old english and new english ? Should not one use one or the other consistently through a verse ?

Also, why is it all one sentence ? (Maybe this is trying to be faithful to the greek, which as I understand had no punctuation ?)

The strange mixing of tenses near the end.

Am I missing something here ?

I will try rewriting it as best I can ;

For he that overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he willl go out no more. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem. It comes [will come] down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.



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Ulrich

The author of Matthew was in the business of connecting Jesus to the various OT Messianic prophecies, something he apparently felt the author of Mark did not do well enough. He makes many mistakes in attempting to do so, this is just one of those mistakes.

SkepticJ

"It is finished" sounds very clear to me and must make me wonder why you keep looking at the lies.[/QUOTE]

I don't know if it's your asinine "logic" or you're just unable to properly enunciate because I can't figure out what the hell you're saying.


Yes, I agree "It is finished" is clear. It's "My God, My God" being cried out in pain that I fail to see as consistent with him being God.
If you would do your homework you'd know that there were several Christian sects that held that Jesus was a man, not a godman. It wasn't until Emperor Constantine that Jesus was decided to be divine. So this verse was written by someone who didn't believe Jesus to be God, just a holy person like Moses, Abe, JB etc.


New Questions:

How did Jesus's death on the cross take away sin? By what mechanism?

What was the point of The Flood? Sin came right back. Isn't flooding the Earth killing trillions of animals and thousands of humans overkill? Why didn't God just poof the defiling sinners, and only the defiling sinners into chemical elemental dust? Better yet why didn't God kill Adam and Eve? He has no qualms about mowing down tens of thousands of Jews with earthquakes, snakes etc. Maybe God likes killing? Or God could have made them sterile at the very least. Then there'd only be two sinners. Adam and Eve could accept Jesus as their "saviour", nail him to a tree and all would be well. The "logic" of the Bible poofs away with the slightest breath of critical thinking. Is it any wonder this verse is in the bible?
Proverbs 3:5 - Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Isn't it incredible? God gives us the best brain on Earth, freewill, curiosity, logical thinking processes but commands us to not use them. To be dumb following lemmings.

He gives us a strong sex drive and makes it very pleasing but we're not supposed to do it just for fun.

He gives men thumbs and external genitalia but doesn't want us to masturbate.

regis

Quote: Maybe God likes killing? . . .
Proverbs 3:5 - Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Isn't it incredible? God gives us the best brain on Earth, freewill, curiosity, logical thinking processes but commands us to not use them. To be dumb following lemmings.

He gives us a strong sex drive and makes it very pleasing but we're not supposed to do it just for fun.

He gives men thumbs and external genitalia but doesn't want us to masturbate.


Yes, Virginia, it is incredible! Hmmmmmm . . . maybe god wants us to masturbate so that he's got another excuse to kill another kitten?

Myself, I don't care much for kittens, but to kill them? Nah, another reason why I'm not god.


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