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stephan huller · 03-16-2013, 09:47 AM

When Passover falls on a Sabbath, the sacrifice is advanced to Friday afternoon (the 14th). The Samaritans commence these preparations at 3 o’clock (Arab time), i.e. 10 a.m., so that the sacrifice may take place exactly at noon, two hours later. In all other cases, the preparations begin two hours before sunset, i.e. 10 o’clock (Arab time), or 3 p.m., so that the sacrifice may be offered at the setting of the sun. The idea that Jesus was crucified at noon comes up in the heretical gospel (= 'the sixth hour'). Sixth day, sixth hour.

Chili · 03-16-2013, 11:34 AM

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When Passover falls on a Sabbath, the sacrifice is advanced to Friday afternoon (the 14th). The Samaritans commence these preparations at 3 o’clock (Arab time), i.e. 10 a.m., so that the sacrifice may take place exactly at noon, two hours later. In all other cases, the preparations begin two hours before sunset, i.e. 10 o’clock (Arab time), or 3 p.m., so that the sacrifice may be offered at the setting of the sun. The idea that Jesus was crucified at noon comes up in the heretical gospel (= 'the sixth hour'). Sixth day, sixth hour.

I think it has to do with high noon for the Samaritans in memory of the day they first believed after the failed jump-shift they have made, while real Sabbath for the Jew is to prevent the failed jump-shift that the Samaritans have made.

We would call those 'lost brethren' who have been jumping for joy ever since but find that evening will return for them day after day and saved sinners will remain. Their consolation is that humans are basically evil and so not redeemable and naturally must die like sinners inside the paradox wherein they proclaim a victory that contains a promise that things will get better after they die, and so will keep alive the flame of life as high noon of the day they first believed.

stephan huller · 03-16-2013, 01:55 PM

Here is what Irenaeus says:

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He asserts that the fruit of this arrangement and analogy has been manifested in the likeness of an image, namely, Him who, after six days, ascended(1) into the mountain along with three others, and then became the sixth, in which character He descended and was contained in the Hebdomad, since He was the illustrious Ogdoad, and contained in Himself the entire number of the elements, which the descent of the dove (who is Alpha and Omega) made clearly manifest, when He came to be baptized; for the number of the dove is eight hundred and one. And for this reason did Moses declare that man was formed on the sixth day; and then, again, according to arrangement, it was on the sixth day, which is the preparation, that the last man appeared, for the regeneration of the first, Of this arrangement, both the beginning and the end were formed at that sixth hour, at which He was nailed to the tree. For that perfect being Nous, knowing that the number six had the power both of formation and regeneration, declared to the children of light, that regeneration which has been wrought out by Him who appeared as the Episemon in regard to that number. [Against Heresies 1.14.6]

Duvduv · 03-16-2013, 07:34 PM

According to the Mishnah Pesachim 58:

"... when the eve of Passover is on Friday (the Passover sacrifice must be offered earlier, to allow time to cook it before the Sabbath. The daily Tamid is slaughtered at six and a half hours and it is offered at seven and a half hours, and afterwards Passover sacrifice.

So the daily tamid sacrifice is slaughtered at 12:30 and offered at 1:30, followed by the Passover sacrifice at 2PM.

Don't the Samaritans still offer daily sacrifices at their Gerizim center?

03-16-2013, 09:47 AM	#1
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	What Happens When the Sabbath Coincides with Passover Among the Samaritans When Passover falls on a Sabbath, the sacrifice is advanced to Friday afternoon (the 14th). The Samaritans commence these preparations at 3 o’clock (Arab time), i.e. 10 a.m., so that the sacrifice may take place exactly at noon, two hours later. In all other cases, the preparations begin two hours before sunset, i.e. 10 o’clock (Arab time), or 3 p.m., so that the sacrifice may be offered at the setting of the sun. The idea that Jesus was crucified at noon comes up in the heretical gospel (= 'the sixth hour'). Sixth day, sixth hour.

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03-16-2013, 07:34 PM	#4
Duvduv Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: USA Posts: 4,095	According to the Mishnah Pesachim 58: "... when the eve of Passover is on Friday (the Passover sacrifice must be offered earlier, to allow time to cook it before the Sabbath. The daily Tamid is slaughtered at six and a half hours and it is offered at seven and a half hours, and afterwards Passover sacrifice. So the daily tamid sacrifice is slaughtered at 12:30 and offered at 1:30, followed by the Passover sacrifice at 2PM. Don't the Samaritans still offer daily sacrifices at their Gerizim center?

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