creature

Have the scholars and thinkers here see this page:
http://www.geocities.com/b_d_muller/q.html

this fellow argues that Q was written late and in fact that Q was written after Mark and with Mark before him. He argues that some of the Mark-Q overlaps are best explained as the author of Q correcting or improving Mark.

Frankly, I think he is presenting some good arguments.

If he is right, then, that would mean that a whole lot of supposition that people have done based on a Q written before Mark must be discarded or substantially revised. For example, Q supposedly has nothing about the death of Jesus, his resurrection or Jesus's death being for salvation. OK, suppose Q was written after Mark and as a correction to some of Mark?

The writer of Q would have to have known Mark's story of the death of Jesus
and chosen not to tell it. The writer of Q might have in fact also been someone who did not believe that Jesus's death had a salvific significance, and so left that out of his "gospel." Also, allegations that Mark and Q are about different persons, hypothetically, would have to be rejected.

Amaleq13

Bernard is a member who has, in the past, participated in many discussions here in BC&H. You can find them using the "Find" links in his IIDB profile.

Tholzel

Without getting into the specifics of the above-referenced argument, (which would take an entire essay), we should realize that scores of the best-known historians believe that Q is earlier than Mark and Matthew, and a source for much of both of them. The problem with analyzing the scriptures is that one never gets complete agreement about anything; analysis ends up being statistical, meaning that there are always contra-indications on the tailends of the bell curve of probability. Thus, if you look hard enough, you can always find a few contrary facts to buttress a contrary theory. This is what Creationists are so expert at. The difficulty in coming up with a reasonably coherent theory is that one's knowledge of the subject must be all-encompassing. The real skill is to have that knowledge and the nose to separate the wheat from the chaff--and build from there.