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Old 03-16-2013, 08:47 AM   #1
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Default Chili posts split from JC a fiction founded on Life of Apollonious of Tyana

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As a naive bystander one get curious on if this
Apollonius of Tyana has more historic evidence for him
than what Jesus have? Or is he a myth too?

Suppose Apollonius of Tyana can be shown to have really existed
and that texts can be reliably referred to to be in his style?

What is it that makes his views fail of Jesus is based on him and works?
Can NeoPagans somehow resurrect I mean reconstruct him then?

I find it interesting but realize that it would include a lot of reading
to catch up on what views he had. Do we know him went to India?
Could not that be a myth?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonius_of_Tyana
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Apollonius of Tyana (c. 15?–c. 100? CE) was a Greek Neopythagorean philosopher
from the town of Tyana in the Roman province of Cappadocia in Asia Minor.

Little is known about him with certainty.
Being a 1st-century orator and philosopher around the time of Christ,
he was compared with Jesus of Nazareth by Christians in the 4th century
and by various popular writers in modern times.
It does not matter how great Alpolinius was as Greek philosopher because the purpose of religion is not to worship the great, or the greatest great, but to become a great yourself.

Omniscience does not point at a God 'out there' someplace but at the potential that we as believer can encounter in the renewal of our mind. This goes for each and everyone, and is the same for each and everyone, except that our majesty will not be the same whereoff our mansion will be in evidence that such 'greats' present, which always is expressed in the form of art, since politics are no part of it, as in fact the antichrist to overcome = worldly affairs that make us human.

Beyond this will it be peace on earth wherein the riddle of life is solved with regard to the question: "who am I and what is my purpose here," as stranger to our own true self but not exhiled from our self, with the difference being that are we united in the religion wherein we belong to the innermost depth of our being and therein only our true self can find (we call her woman, but that is not part of this).

C.f. Lamb of God and Son of Man wherein the Lamb of God will be nurtured to maturity while the Son of God will just whither away with the passages he or she reads. Worse yet is that we now have women speaking out as thelogian that must necessarily come across like a chicken squacking with it's head chopped off simply because Pure Reason can never be part of Her or the firstborn would not be male as the self contained proton that is privy to the nucleus of God within.

To this end just trace all the truly greats in history and you will always find that they were either Catholic or Jew, with no doubt about it, while the great evangelist were never Catholic or Jew but instead were Christian with scatter brains themselves who will indeed worship the greats in history, in particular Jesus here for who's name they will die, still today, as they have done thoughout the ages in our past.

Myth is real, except in Hollywood where they dissect the myth and sell it by the movie, and so in essence wholesale the mythology for profit only. They call it fiction, but forget the anima whence it came and so really are fornicators without end. Just a nitpick here, sorry, but real nonetheless.

Of course they have warped the meaning of the word 'omniscience' also, which in the end only means: know thyself.
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Yes it can feel fun to ridicule the Hollow Earth believers.

But we derail the thread which is about Apollonius of Tyana
as a template or inspiration for teh creation of the Jesus Myth.

what if that is true? Have nothing to do with Hollow Earth at all

So let us get back in track here.

What is it about Jesus that made that story survive
and that the story about Apollonius of Tyana to almost get lost?
Closer to home they are called "flat earthers" speaking from their own void as human beings still.

Jesus is the anti-christ and has to die to set Christ free in the image of God as man on earth.
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Omniscience does not point at a God 'out there' someplace but at the potential that we as believer can encounter in the renewal of our mind. This goes for each and everyone, and is the same for each and everyone, except that our majesty will not be the same whereoff our mansion will be in evidence that such 'greats' present, which always is expressed in the form of art, since politics are no part of it, as in fact the antichrist to overcome = worldly affairs that make us human.
And the upshot here is that politics can never be part of religion and must be both above and below the State in the same way as the woman, also as female here, must be both above and below her man to be his light by day and his consolation by night to renew his word each day, and so be the shine of life for him.

The reason for this is that the light of common day is an illusion wherefore hu-man must necessarliy live beside himself to see, while wo-man can see in the dark that so becomes the other side of the sun that radiates the true light that gives substance to the light we see and go by each and every day.

Most pityable here is that in our modern 'gender equal' age the female is reduced to equal as the male and is put to work beside him to help pay the bills, I suppose, that in essense removes the beauty of life itself (by degree, yes), that in the business word is called argosy wherein we so become the dying slave to the money that we owe.

In the real world it is like the banker telling you to sit down instead of you telling the banker to sit down, if that makes sense to you.
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And looking for a historic Jesus is like looking for a piece of Noah's ark, on top of mount Ararat of all places, and then finally figure out which one is his because there are 7 of them up there from different mythologies, they say, and here we instist that Jesus must be historic to be real?

The fact is that he cannot be historic 'flesh and blood' to be real.

And in fact, Christ was born and they called him Jesus, and now the proper question is: who is Jesus if Christ was born?

And then ask: why was he not born in Mark and John? And we still insist that he must be real, as now not even Christ is real in flat-earther terms, and so now who is wrong here to think that he should be real like us as stranger to our self, or we'll cry wolf and call it forgery!

And of course his flesh and blood are real, and real food even (John 6:56), but is only with the transformed mind to see.

And millions upon millions of books are written on this for seekers and none of them will ever see because that just is the wrong thing to do, which also is what Jesus told us then right then and there when they first parted company in John 6:66, and we still insist that he was wrong to say that.

And then read John 6:65

"This is why I have told you
that no one can come to me
unless it is granted him by the father."

. . . and parted company in John 6:66 and here we are:

. . . brewing up salvation recipes all on our own, that include fancy tricks and treats, and now with 20.000 of them strong wonder what the fuck is wrong with the father when if he is not inside our recipe, already for 2000 years and even boast that we have Apostolic Tradition on the anthema side of the other church, that really doesn't count or we could not be right about the way we handle those affairs.

To note here is that the first Adam existed only in our imagination and the second Adam is the same, and so is just as real as the first, but only Father send, first as deceptive serpent and second as receptive serpent send.
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Michael Faraday interestingly did a lot of work exposing table turning and similar.
My mother-in-law listens to the radio to see which virus she can catch and will be the first to have it too, and probably would jump over a cliff if she came too close to the edge, and maybe that is why she is afraid of everything that moves or that does not move.

And so now, are you saying that health conscious people as sick already?

Oh right, and she was scared of Ouija boards too and only played it when she was really bored with life.
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Yes it can feel fun to ridicule the Hollow Earth believers.

But we derail the thread which is about Apollonius of Tyana
as a template or inspiration for teh creation of the Jesus Myth.

what if that is true? Have nothing to do with Hollow Earth at all

So let us get back in track here.

What is it about Jesus that made that story survive
and that the story about Apollonius of Tyana to almost get lost?
Long ago I read Philostratus's biography of Apollonius. He seems to have rather impressed a lot of people in his day and age.

But he did not promise a way to obtain salvation, eternal life in heaven etc. Which Apparently is what you have to do to form a truly lasting cult.
Jesus, Mohammed, Joseph Smith, L. Ron Hubbard, et al.

Apollonius became a favorite of the woo-woo crowd, blavatsky's Theosophists, spiritualist churches and so on. Proof that you to could work miracles if you became sufficiently "spiritually advanced".

My favorite Apollonius tale, summoned to the court of ann angry Diocletian, Appolloius disappeard physically from the court in front of many witnesses, only to be seen that day 200 miles away. The point being how tales of such things are easily created and credited.

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But he did not promise a way to obtain salvation,
eternal life in heaven etc. Which Apparently is
what you have to do to form a truly lasting cult.
That is why I am so skeptical to Buddha. They have no gods
or they don't care about their gods much but they sure have
a way to end suffering and they hold on to that faith in very
similar ways to how the believers in supernaturalism hold on
to their dogmas too.

if one ask native users of Buddhism why so many died
due to the Tsunami then they say it was their bad karma.

To me that is to be deep into a superstitious delusion.
There is no evidence that any of those that died had
bad karma at all. They happen to live at the cost
where an earth quake did happen far out at the sea.
Not to worry dear, Buddhism is very much like Catholicism who also have no Gods before them so that they can be the one they seek.

We just have the woman to adore and venerate and She comes in all designs and colors, world-wide, to even the best cigar named after her, but never as a protestant, I think.

Then we have Cardinal Virtues and Capital Sins to juxtapose their good and bad karma that are just character builders so we can be true to the path that we sojourn and obviously can stand convicted in every move we make as human down below . . . from which follows that neither virtues nor sins have permanence but only belong to slavery as sheep inside the flock wherein the Ideal is sought.
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Such is interesting. Catholicism has had a cult of Mary the Mother of God
and also of particular Saints. Some believers find it easier to relate to
earthly persons of history than to "spiritual" entities like God Christ Holy ghost and Angels.

so they turn to Jesus or his mother or to the known Saints.

So in that way faith in Apollonius maybe have worked as a placbo
and the talismans show that clearly to be posible. Cool that he really
has existed and not is just a myth
Catholics never turn to Jesus who is like a dirty rag they left behind when they found Mary, and have the saints as evidence in their pool assets that they call the Holy See.
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