lulay

check this out...see what you think, AND feel

'Eve and the Identity of Women: 6 The Old Testament, Women, & Evil'
http://witcombe.sbc.edu/eve-women/6womenevil.html

lulay

is noone interested....have no reponse to this?...gonna start counting how many times this gets knocked off number 1 spot

Magdlyn

I think this is pretty accurate. A couple books with more detail on this hsitorical issue would be:

When God was a Woman, by Stone

The Hebrew Goddess, by Patai

Chili

Don't be so hard on yourself, lulay, and let me show you how and why all we know (and all we ever will know), and all we have (and we ever will have) is thanks to woman and only thanks to woman. He, on the other hand, is just the idiot that goes for the bait and actually teaches woman to be cunning, clever, and wise. It is true that 'he does it for her' but that also means that without her he wouldn't do a thing.

From your link: Correct because Adam wasn't there yet. Adam was called into existence after man ate from the Tree of Knowledge upon the suggestion of woman . . . who saw (clever she was) that the conscious mind (there called TOK) was good for gathering food, knowledge and beauty (women are beautiful as representations of God's image = "mirror mirror on the wall").

The question I have here is if it is true that our conscious mind is good for gathering wisdom, food and beauty? Of course it is.

. . . "then the eyes of both of them were opened and they both
realized [for the first time]that they were naked" and felt shame (cf. Gen 2:25 where "they were naked yet they felt no shame;" NAB).

Notice that shame was introduced when they ate from the apple, which was really not an apple but the conscious mind of one man (Tree of Knowledge) with woman being the blueprint of that same man (flesh of flesh and bone of bones is the Tree of Life). Let me add that when woman was taken from man the Tree of Life was identified.

For shame to be possible we must have an ego to protect (no shame under hypnosis) so clearly Adam was the conscious awareness of man whereupon the Adam identity was created and would later be enhanced outside of Eden.

The next question I have is if it is good for us as rational beings to have a persona (ego) to protect? (ie. no human rights without an ego (persona)).
Further, is it wise for us to recognize that we have needs as living beings? (nature, nurture = woman -- with man being the heavy-duty light-weight consumer, or just "the naked animal man" to be nurtured and taken care of).
The serpent is the vacuum (cause of desire) in the mind of man that was created when woman was taken from man. Later, much later in life, the man and the woman must become one through the understanding by man that the woman is his own identity and the primary cause for his riches in heaven and on earth. This will be the time when we are "beyond desire" when the serpent is defeated.

The punishment of the serpent makes reference to fame-shame division in the conscius mind wherein the ego will always take the fame and she will get the blame (as in the devil made me do that). Note that the serpent becomes Eve and the woman remains the woman but will always be in the presence of the serpent and therefore will have pain (there is no pain in childbirth while under hypnosis . . . nor is there pain in heaven but since there are no babies born in heaven the woman feels the pain in the curse upon man).

The same is true for the man because the ego (or Adamic nature) belongs to man who therefore must be a slave to the desire of his ego and will have to 'work for a living.' In Gen.3 the woman was also a serpent that "strikes at the head of the [lesser] serpent which in its turn strikes at the heel of Adam" so as to motivate him. Remember here that the isolation of woman was the cause of our desire and that is how and where our ambition was first created and later delegated through Eve to our rational (Adamic) will. Same with Mary about whom many litanies are written to recognize her greatness.

Pain is an illusion but is useful if we do not have much else to go by. We can invoke the help of Mary (Asherah) but if she was fully on our side we would not have pain to start with.

I realy don't think it is a slap in the face because the ambition of woman is to exhaust our desire through the full surrender of the humam will even against the provocations made by woman through Eve to our (Adamic) will.

lulay

i think the main essence of the story is the patriarchal prohibition of the Tree's Fruit.

why do i think this?

cause we are STILL in that prohibition now. so now is connected with that ancine t creation myth, do you agree?

ie., the SAMe mindset prevails.

Women were THE gathereres and were skilled in knowledge of plants (will foreward some pages about this soon)

So we don't have to be too complex in analyzing this ancient biblical story if we keep that central. that it is A sacrament, which gives the taker DIRECT experience of ecstasy which is being oppressivly denigrated, along with its primordial relationship with women/Goddess

as you can see, seeing relational patterns throughout patriarchal mythology, as well as secular corporatist business activities, when there is seen to be competition it is ferociously crushed by whatever means.

A religion that bases itself on dry
empty symbolism simply cannot compete with ones that offer direct experience, hence the efforts done to demonize it, along with women, and Nature