FRDB Archives

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.


Go Back   FRDB Archives > Archives > Religion (Closed) > Biblical Criticism & History
Welcome, Peter Kirby.
You last visited: Yesterday at 03:12 PM

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 04-10-2006, 06:14 AM   #1
Regular Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: France
Posts: 169
Default Hajar = Keturah ?

Hello

Do several Rabbis say that actually Hajar would be Ketura, can you inform me?

ps : they say that it is in the talmud.
chimaira is offline  
Old 04-10-2006, 07:41 AM   #2
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Chicago
Posts: 1,396
Default

Yes, Jewish tradition identifies Hagar with Ketura. The effect is to sanitize Abraham somewhat, having him go back and marry his erstwhile concubine.
Apikorus is offline  
Old 04-10-2006, 09:01 AM   #3
Regular Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: France
Posts: 169
Default yes

Thank you for would information, have an article or a study on this subject?
chimaira is offline  
Old 04-10-2006, 12:16 PM   #4
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Chicago
Posts: 1,396
Default

From The Jewish Encyclopedia:
Keturah: Abraham's second wife, whom he married after the death of Sarah (Gen. xxv. 1; I Chron. i. 32). She was the ancestress of sixteen tribes, among which were Arabian and Midianite ones. In I Chron. i. 32 Keturah is called "the concubine of Abraham," and, probably for this reason, she is identified in the Midrash (Gen. R. lxi., quoted also by Rashi) and in the Palestinian Targumim with Hagar, who was the first concubine of Abraham. The Midrash explains the name "Keturah" as based on her acts, which were pleasant like frankincense. In Gen. xxv. 5 the Midrash (l.c.) reads the term "ha-pillagshim" (= "the concubines") without the yod, which is the sign of the plural, explaining that there was only one concubine, as Hagar and Keturah were one person. Still it seems that such was not the opinion of the Talmudic doctors; for the children of Ishmael and the children of Keturah are kept distinct in the story of their complaints against the Jews before Alexander the Macedonian (Sanh. 91a).
Apikorus is offline  
Old 04-11-2006, 09:41 AM   #5
Regular Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: France
Posts: 169
Default Hello

Thank you .
chimaira is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 04:26 AM.

Top

This custom BB emulates vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.