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Boomeister · 01-13-2005, 06:48 PM

Reborn Joseph that became Jesus?
I've never heard of this concept before.
It makes absolutely no sense.
What kind of Christian are you...what denomination?
Your explanation made things more confusing and didn't really explain anything.
If you will, start from the top of explaining all of this to me.

Boomeister

bwcourtn · 01-13-2005, 07:24 PM

That "chili" cat is annoying........are you trying to annoy people on purpose, because that is definitely how it comes off. Nothing you ever say, on any topic, has any rationale whatsoever. Keep silent where the text (and history) is silent, because noone cares for your absurd time-wasting comments. Out of curiosity, how old are you?

johntheapostate · 01-13-2005, 07:59 PM

Can I add my speculation about the Adam and Eve subject?

One must remember that contrary to what was mentioned earlier there was only one forbidden tree in the garden. Only the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was forbidden, not the tree of life.

One must question the motives of a god who creates a paradise with a deadly fruit tree in the middle.

As Adam and Eve did not posses the knowledge of good and evil any choice they made would have been based only in the attributes of the human nature that they would have received from god

There was no other influence, other than god, in any of the variables that were involved in their decision. There genetic predisposition, there conscious and unconscious mind they were all created or formed by god.

If it was truly god's desire that mankind remain in an Innocent state why did he allow the influence of the serpent in his paradise.

If the serpent was actually acting in defiance of god's wishes why did he not have the pair eat from the tree of life first. Then they would have had knowledge and eternal life.

This was a situation that truly undesirable to god, hence his actions to throw them out of Eden.

Was the great deceiver so shortsighted? I think not. It is more likely that he was operating under the direction of god, bringing about an occurrence that god himself had carefully planed and initiated.

Twyll The ChyllTyran · 01-14-2005, 05:21 AM

"Is that denomination # 20,001?"

or is it #1?

"Chaos? That will depend on your stream of consciuousness."

of course, but the truer your stream of consciousness, the closer you are to god.

you already know my thoughts on this subject... and nobodies really replied to them yet.
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=111413

jesus WAS the ultimate sinner, but he was also LIKE my first brother... born with it, yet in denial. this denial is what made him a sinner.

PEACE

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01-13-2005, 06:48 PM	#11
Boomeister Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The Big State in the South Posts: 448	Reborn Joseph that became Jesus? I've never heard of this concept before. It makes absolutely no sense. What kind of Christian are you...what denomination? Your explanation made things more confusing and didn't really explain anything. If you will, start from the top of explaining all of this to me. Boomeister

01-13-2005, 07:24 PM	#12
bwcourtn Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: University MS Posts: 36	That "chili" cat is annoying........are you trying to annoy people on purpose, because that is definitely how it comes off. Nothing you ever say, on any topic, has any rationale whatsoever. Keep silent where the text (and history) is silent, because noone cares for your absurd time-wasting comments. Out of curiosity, how old are you?

01-13-2005, 07:59 PM	#13
johntheapostate Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Manitoba Canada Posts: 343	Can I add my speculation about the Adam and Eve subject? One must remember that contrary to what was mentioned earlier there was only one forbidden tree in the garden. Only the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was forbidden, not the tree of life. One must question the motives of a god who creates a paradise with a deadly fruit tree in the middle. As Adam and Eve did not posses the knowledge of good and evil any choice they made would have been based only in the attributes of the human nature that they would have received from god There was no other influence, other than god, in any of the variables that were involved in their decision. There genetic predisposition, there conscious and unconscious mind they were all created or formed by god. If it was truly god's desire that mankind remain in an Innocent state why did he allow the influence of the serpent in his paradise. If the serpent was actually acting in defiance of god's wishes why did he not have the pair eat from the tree of life first. Then they would have had knowledge and eternal life. This was a situation that truly undesirable to god, hence his actions to throw them out of Eden. Was the great deceiver so shortsighted? I think not. It is more likely that he was operating under the direction of god, bringing about an occurrence that god himself had carefully planed and initiated.

01-14-2005, 05:21 AM	#14
Twyll The ChyllTyran Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 138	"Is that denomination # 20,001?" or is it #1? "Chaos? That will depend on your stream of consciuousness." of course, but the truer your stream of consciousness, the closer you are to god. you already know my thoughts on this subject... and nobodies really replied to them yet. http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=111413 jesus WAS the ultimate sinner, but he was also LIKE my first brother... born with it, yet in denial. this denial is what made him a sinner. PEACE

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