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Dilandau · 08-22-2003, 09:49 AM

Have you once wondered why Krishna and Christus sound similar?

Have you ever felt the similarity of the words Abraham and Brahma?

Hamurabi actually spells reverse Abraham.

http://www.lexiline.com/lexiline/lexi57.htm

cited: "There was only ONE Sargon, and this was Sargon of Akkad. The real and original Sargon is identical to the king erroneously named Hammurabi, where the script HMRB has been read BACKWARDS !!!! correct being BRHM or aBRaHAM. Indeed, Abraham was buried at Machpela, which is Nineveh, for its ancient name was called Mespila by Xenophon in the Anabastis The legends relating to Abraham as Sargon were then misappropriated by or assigned erroneously to later kings. "

It's all the religion basically the same ideas. They just have developed differntly like different languages. Religion in fact is spiritual language.

There are as many religions as man and opinions on earth. Such like a 'united christianity', a 'islam' etc is same illusion as 'Germany', 'England', etc. These groups do have things in common. But they aren't one. Not more and not less one than the cosmos.

To the name "Sargon". Based on the name of the ancient ship "Argo", which has been used in the ancient geodetic measurement of earth.

see: http://www.lexiline.com/lexiline/lexi228.htm

Sargon, Argo, the Ark. A light shines...

Doctor X · 08-22-2003, 11:09 AM

Okay. . . .

--J.D.

lpetrich · 08-22-2003, 12:24 PM

Reminds me of the excrement of the male bovine.

Doctor X · 08-22-2003, 12:35 PM

Ipetrich:

After suffering through a few texts on the Patriarchs--"As you can see ml'&*%!! is really a bilabial fricative of b'-[. . .]$v. . . ."--I can understand why Abraham is a mythic character based on the names and anachronisms in the texts--not to mention doublets. That "other people's myths" served as foundations or frames for OT myths is understandable. The patriarchs were conceived as a "founding myth." Of course, how much of the myth was "pre-exilic" or "post-exilic" and what came from what frame . . . or source . . . funds Ph.D. programs.

However, methinks Dilandau stretcheth it a bit far. I am particularly amused at the "Hammurabi" backwards is "Abraham" . . . if you rearrange the letters. . . .

I wish I could remember the comedian who spoofed the "Kennedy-Lincoln" comparison with "Nixon-Lincoln"--over the Battle Hymn of the Republic you hear such revelations as, "Mrs. Nixon likes bananas . . . Mrs. Lincoln went bananas!"

Twist the text, squeeze it, launder it, and you can make it say many things. One has to be careful of this, of course.

As for "Sargon"="Argo"="Ark" . . . well . . . I am afraid I will need to sip some more of the "bong-water" for that one. . . .

--J.D.

Dilandau · 08-22-2003, 01:13 PM

Once after the german forums turned out to be "without what", I started to use English language and English forums to address more people.

Now I discover in an instant, that more people are not neccessarily more scientific. Well, in order to get the true worth of my posts understood, where should I go?

SiliconWolf · 08-22-2003, 03:19 PM

HMRB backwards is BRMH, not BRHM. Unless someone would care to explain why some letters should be reversed and not others.

Undoubtedly, the ancient religious influenced each other to a large degree. However, I don't think it reduces to anything quite as simple as this site claims.

Dilandau · 08-22-2003, 05:04 PM

Any pictures of that script would be handy. As far I know hebrew language, intonating a leading A sound before a word that starts spelling with a konsonant is something that i haven't yet met. I know no way to note such in masoretic writing. However the modern hebrew may be very complex in that part. A hebrew BRHM for me is same as BRaHMa. Before Abraham got his name, it was Abram. Spelled ABRM. Abraham in the hebrew bible spells ABRHM. The BRHM can still be correct. Just because our modern historians do make errors, it's not guaranteed, that ancient historians, i.e. the fellows of Sargon in this case, didn't make errors, when they copied the texts. We have the name Brahma BRHM and we have the Name Hamurabi BRMH, both written very similarly. Written Names may have been regarded as pictures. Pictures without a strict painting direction. Just like combinations of maya symbols, that made a maya name, were formed without a strict rule. Only rule was beauty. The similarity to ABRM and ABRHM or BRHM can appear very significant, feels good and coherent with the desires. I know no reason not to stick with it.

The H that is inserted from since chapter 17, makes a sign that the moon matriarch has been changed into a sun patriarch. Also the calendar is changed there. Abram 99 years, Ismael and circumcision is the 13th synodic lunar month and a part of it cut away. Remains the 12 solar months just where the tribes are anounced. The letter Heh we know as the Emperor of Tarot. The Patriarch. Does anybody know other studies, that reveal astronomy in the bible, especially genesis and tora?

Doctor X · 08-22-2003, 11:07 PM

Dilandau:

Quote:

Now I discover in an instant, that more people are not neccessarily (sic) more scientific. Well, in order to get the true worth of my posts understood, where should I go?

Well . . . with all due respect . . . to receive a "scientific" response you need to take a "scientific" approach. As others have noted, reversing word order does not correspondene make . . . particularly when you have to rearrange the letters! Worse, the name is more properly HammuaPi . . . so your argument requires also a substitution of consonants. Certainly this and creating unrealated homonyms--"Ark" and "Sargon" do not approximate "scientific" by any definition I am aware of.

Here is an example of such an approach:

Name Abraham:

I am not sure how well the damn Hebrew will come out so bear with me. . . .

Quote:

The name מרבא [Mem-Resh-Bet-Alef] or מהרבא[Mem-He-Resh-Bet-Alef] is unquestionably a West Semitic personal name, . . . The form . . . is a sentence composed of a noun in the nominative as subject and a finite verb in the perfect tense as predicate, . . . The element מר [Mem-Resh] is likewise one of the more common of the verbal elements that are used with theophoric subjects. The root of the verb is מור [Mem-Vav-Resh], and the name מרבא [Mem-Resh-Bet-Alef] can be translated "Father is exalted".

The alternative form used in Genesis: מהרבא [Mem-He-Resh-Bet-Alef] . . . interpreting מהרבא [Mem-He Resh-Bet-Alef] to mean "Chief of a multitude". . . . This aetiology forms part of the general structure of the Genesis tradition as a whole; the subsequent use of the name Abraham is not original to each narrative segment. Thus מהרבא [Mem-He-Resh-Bet-Alef] functions as a cue name, carrying in its meaning the Yahwistic promise that the patriarch will become a great nation.

Now, the reference continues with a survey of possible extra-biblical names similar to Abraham. For the sake of brevity and to prevent the The Readership from running screaming into the night [Stolen from Barry Hughart.--Ed.], basically there really is not one that is not a false homonym.

What about ol' Hammurapi? No correspondence.

I sincerely do not mean any disrespect. I have . . . and will have . . . many theories decimated in this forum in particular. I would only suggest to accept that the certainty you feel may not really be that certain.

--J.D.

Reference:

Thomas L. Thompson. The Historicity of the Patriarchal Narratives: the Quest for the Historical Abraham. Harrisburg: Trinity Press International, 2002 [Reprint of a work originally published in 1973.--Ed.]

08-22-2003, 09:49 AM	#1
Dilandau Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Munich Posts: 151	Sargon of Akkad - the founder of all our Religions Have you once wondered why Krishna and Christus sound similar? Have you ever felt the similarity of the words Abraham and Brahma? Hamurabi actually spells reverse Abraham. http://www.lexiline.com/lexiline/lexi57.htm cited: "There was only ONE Sargon, and this was Sargon of Akkad. The real and original Sargon is identical to the king erroneously named Hammurabi, where the script HMRB has been read BACKWARDS !!!! correct being BRHM or aBRaHAM. Indeed, Abraham was buried at Machpela, which is Nineveh, for its ancient name was called Mespila by Xenophon in the Anabastis The legends relating to Abraham as Sargon were then misappropriated by or assigned erroneously to later kings. " It's all the religion basically the same ideas. They just have developed differntly like different languages. Religion in fact is spiritual language. There are as many religions as man and opinions on earth. Such like a 'united christianity', a 'islam' etc is same illusion as 'Germany', 'England', etc. These groups do have things in common. But they aren't one. Not more and not less one than the cosmos. To the name "Sargon". Based on the name of the ancient ship "Argo", which has been used in the ancient geodetic measurement of earth. see: http://www.lexiline.com/lexiline/lexi228.htm Sargon, Argo, the Ark. A light shines...

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08-22-2003, 11:09 AM	#2
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	Okay. . . . --J.D.

08-22-2003, 12:24 PM	#3
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	Reminds me of the excrement of the male bovine.

08-22-2003, 12:35 PM	#4
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	Ipetrich: After suffering through a few texts on the Patriarchs--"As you can see ml'&%!!* is really a bilabial fricative of b'-[. . .]$v. . . ."--I can understand why Abraham is a mythic character based on the names and anachronisms in the texts--not to mention doublets. That "other people's myths" served as foundations or frames for OT myths is understandable. The patriarchs were conceived as a "founding myth." Of course, how much of the myth was "pre-exilic" or "post-exilic" and what came from what frame . . . or source . . . funds Ph.D. programs. However, methinks Dilandau stretcheth it a bit far. I am particularly amused at the "Hammurabi" backwards is "Abraham" . . . if you rearrange the letters. . . . I wish I could remember the comedian who spoofed the "Kennedy-Lincoln" comparison with "Nixon-Lincoln"--over the Battle Hymn of the Republic you hear such revelations as, "Mrs. Nixon likes bananas . . . Mrs. Lincoln went bananas!" Twist the text, squeeze it, launder it, and you can make it say many things. One has to be careful of this, of course. As for "Sargon"="Argo"="Ark" . . . well . . . I am afraid I will need to sip some more of the "bong-water" for that one. . . . --J.D.

08-22-2003, 01:13 PM	#5
Dilandau Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Munich Posts: 151	Once after the german forums turned out to be "without what", I started to use English language and English forums to address more people. Now I discover in an instant, that more people are not neccessarily more scientific. Well, in order to get the true worth of my posts understood, where should I go?

08-22-2003, 03:19 PM	#6
SiliconWolf Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: A soulless suburb of Chicago Posts: 1,000	HMRB backwards is BRMH, not BRHM. Unless someone would care to explain why some letters should be reversed and not others. Undoubtedly, the ancient religious influenced each other to a large degree. However, I don't think it reduces to anything quite as simple as this site claims.

08-22-2003, 05:04 PM	#7
Dilandau Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Munich Posts: 151	Any pictures of that script would be handy. As far I know hebrew language, intonating a leading A sound before a word that starts spelling with a konsonant is something that i haven't yet met. I know no way to note such in masoretic writing. However the modern hebrew may be very complex in that part. A hebrew BRHM for me is same as BRaHMa. Before Abraham got his name, it was Abram. Spelled ABRM. Abraham in the hebrew bible spells ABRHM. The BRHM can still be correct. Just because our modern historians do make errors, it's not guaranteed, that ancient historians, i.e. the fellows of Sargon in this case, didn't make errors, when they copied the texts. We have the name Brahma BRHM and we have the Name Hamurabi BRMH, both written very similarly. Written Names may have been regarded as pictures. Pictures without a strict painting direction. Just like combinations of maya symbols, that made a maya name, were formed without a strict rule. Only rule was beauty. The similarity to ABRM and ABRHM or BRHM can appear very significant, feels good and coherent with the desires. I know no reason not to stick with it. The H that is inserted from since chapter 17, makes a sign that the moon matriarch has been changed into a sun patriarch. Also the calendar is changed there. Abram 99 years, Ismael and circumcision is the 13th synodic lunar month and a part of it cut away. Remains the 12 solar months just where the tribes are anounced. The letter Heh we know as the Emperor of Tarot. The Patriarch. Does anybody know other studies, that reveal astronomy in the bible, especially genesis and tora?

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