aa5874

Well, that rotting paper evidence still does not make sense. You mean only the papers with information about Jesus rotted away?

I asked you for EVIDENCE not your supposed consensus. A consensus has NO VALUE as EVIDENCE. What is the consensus of the all the bishops of the Roman Catholic Church on Jesus or Paul?

Now, how is it the "Josephus papers" and the "Philo papers" did not rot or were copied before they rotted away?

And again, if Jesus was just a man and had a human father in Josephus then it must be blatantly obvious that the Josephus Jesus was not the Jesus of the NT CANON, the offspring of the Holy Ghost, Creator of heaven and earth.

And by the way, Papias, an apologetic source, claimed James, the supposed bishop of Jerusalem, was the son of the sister of Mary the mother of the offspring of the Holy Ghost called Jesus.

Jesus called Christ had no brother called James, perhaps a cousin.

It is virtually certain that the Jesus in Josephus' "Antiquities of the Jews" 20.9.1 was NOT the Jesus in the NT Canon.

Rick Van Vliet

Such as. You forgot that part. Produce them. I say they don't exist and you just made it up.

All is silence.

Virtually the only thing we have of the time and place of Jesus, other than things about Jesus, is Josephus, and he mentions him. Talmud wouldn't be exected to, and written down long after. Philo ain't there.

Rick Van Vliet

It's in Acts. I've posted it several times on this thread.

Rick Van Vliet

Incomprehensible huh? Totally mystifying. No doubt.

Virtually all paper rots away. No Josephus within 1000 years of when he lived. No Plato within 1000 years of when he lived. But there's Jesus within 100 years.

It's usually people completely ignorant of the fact that paper rots, and there's virtually no paper from the time of anyone back then. Just repeating what someone else said, who knows better and is deliberately lying.

Well, you know now, are are at least exposed to it. You want to carry on an intelligent conversation with informed people, you need to drop the no paper from that time thing. You embarrass yourself.

Toto

Silence of Contemporary Writers contains a list of writers from the first century who show no personal or second hand knowledge of Jesus Christ. Some of them are debatable, but Josephus was not the only writer who has survived.

Rick Van Vliet

Suppose you produce one from the time and place of Jesus. Forget that part?

Rick Van Vliet

All is silence.

Rick Van Vliet

The only real example is Josephus, and no physical scraps exist within 1000 years of his life, and all copies passed through the Christian Church of the Dark Ages.

We have physical scraps about Jesus, that never passed through the hands of the Christians, from within about 150 years of the life of Jesus, probably written originally in the middle of the first century. (Gospel of Thomas)

Which one is history?

aa5874

Well why do you use Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline writings as history with respect to Paul.

Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline writings are from the hands of the Church yet you use them as PROOF or EVIDENCE that Paul SLAUGHTERED Jews when you yourself have discredited the writings of the Church.

How can you now claim that writings which have passed through the hands of the Church are genuine?

Why is the Pauline writings genuine and none about Jesus genuine when all passed through the hands of the Church?

Jesus could not have been the offspring of the Holy Ghost if he was human yet the Gospels, books passing through the hands of the Church, claimed Jesus was the offspring of the Holy Ghost and still human.

It is certain that virtually everything about Jesus in the NT Canon is fiction and the NT Canon was a product of the HANDS of the Church.

Now, it must be or can be reasonably deduced that the NT Canon does not contain the truth about Paul. The character called Paul talked about Jesus over 200 times but Jesus did not exist as written in the Gospels that passed through the HANDS of the Church.

Saul/Paul most likely slaughtered no-one. Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline writings are from the HANDS of the Church.

You have destroyed your own credibility.

Jayrok

Oh I read what you posted. Paul slaughtered all the disciples and preachers? oof.