Lavis Knight

It sometimes seems to me that Paul had a much different message than Jesus did. Maybe it was because he is recorded to have said so much more. However it just seems that the "spirit" of Paul's writings are much different than what Jesus was trying to teach. Aside from Jesus insisting his message was only to jews and Paul trying to reach everyone, how do you feel about this?

-Lavis

gregor

The answer may be that Paul, writing in 55 CE, recounted some of the oral history of Jesus that had been mentioned to him through the members of the Jerusalem church. None of those oral histories included miracle stories, claims of divinity while on earth, or other historical information.

The gospels, written in 80 - 120 CE, contain almost no history, but contain fictional events invented well after Paul died in order to support the author's particular Christology.

Follower of Christ

Jesus was talking to Jews for the most part.
Paul was dealing more with the gentile church.

I see compassion for the lost, salvation, love for your neighbor and just about all the core teachings in both men.

Only differnce I see in Paul is clarifying things that Jesus' recorded words may have been vague on.

For instance, with what we have recorded of Jesus, there is no real explaination of the internal struggle the believe has with sin...no explaination of the duel nature. Paul tried to explain it.

Jesus made some comments about the elect, but didnt really detail it out much.
In Romans, Paul spells it out as best I think he could.

Also Jesus was teaching the Jews for the most part.
He spoke a lot in parables that werent meant for enlightenment to them.
I think in order to understand the differences in Jesus and Paul, the first thing one has to do is see who their audience is...and then understand the desired outcome of their ministry.

Jesus came to the Jew to be rejected, it had to work that way.
Paul was just teaching sound doctrine to the church that was given to Him thru revelation.

anyway...if you first study out what each mans goal was, and who he was talking to..it helps in understanding the seeming differences

CX

Why?

Follower of Christ

youd really have to read a lot of the OT to understand the whole picture.

When I did, I couldnt beleive how many times the Jews rejected God.
The plan was to bring in the Gentiles.
Way back even as far as Deuteronomy there is prophecy about Gods rejecting Israel (for a time) and bringing in a ''foolish nation'' (us).

God knew Isreal would continue to reject, and He used that to bring us all in.

Look, I dont know WHY God does things the way He does.

Obviousy all He has to do is snap HIs fingers and its all fixed.
My conclusions are that this all is for the benefit of those of us who DO want to follow Him.

Its just the way He set things up.

braces_for_impact

Ah I see, to talk to Jews is different then talking to the Romans, Corinthians, Galatians, Phillipians, Colossians, etc. Each one requires a tailored, hand-picked carefully concieved message configured for their race/culture.

So should Jews worry about those others? Which one as an American should I pay attention to? Do I count as a Galatian or a Corinthian? Should I forget all that Jesus stuff in the gospels since that was for a Jew tailored audience?

Amaleq13

You would really have to read a lot into the Hebrew Bible to accept the Christian depiction of the "whole picture".

I agree that the depiction of folks rejecting an entity that has just demonstrated its existence, power and support for them (e.g. the story of Moses and the Top Ten) is utterly unbelievable.

Follower of Christ

This is why there is so issue between Jesus and Paul with you folks.
You dont want to understand what each mans mission was.

Jesus didnt come to open the eyes of the Jew for the most part.

Look here.


and this also;
Paul wasnt following prophecy that hindered what He would do.
Jesus could have opened the eyes of the Jews...but they had rejected God so many times, that God had decided beforehand to blind them for a time to bring in the gentile nations.

Way back in Deuteronomy it says this;

refering to the gentiles...

If you are not a Jew, then you are a Gentile.
Jesus went to the Jews for the most part.
Paul was the minister to the gentiles.

and I didnt tell you to forget anything, DID i?
The topic at hand seems to be the differences with Jesus and Paul
Im trying to help whoever WANTS to know why there are differences to understand.

Sorry if this doesnt help.....Im really not in a mood to dispute much with you.
If you have a question, Ill help all I can.
If youre just tossing stuff at me to argue and not really wanting to hear anything.....let me know now so I can ignore your posts

Jedi Mind Trick

Evidence that you are here to preach and convert? If you don’t desire to have your assertions challenged then why post here?

Proxima Centauri

The idea of your Christian God :angel: doesn’t make sense. You admit it. Why doesn’t your omnipotent and omni benevolent God snap His (non-existent?) fingers and end evil?
Why does He create those who he in His omniscience knows will suffer eternally in hell? That looks more like sadism than love. :huh:
Philip Kuchar developed this further.
Double-talk in Defense of the Dubious: God's "Respect" and "Forgiveness"
We can all see Christianity is illogical. :devil3: