AggressiveProgressiv

My roomate is in the process of converting to mormonism. I am just wondering if anyone here has any advice on how to argue against him.

They don't believe in a lot of the most contradictory aspects of mainstream christianity.

Also, when I bring up contradictions within the bible, he is unimpressed. When I bring up contradictions between the Book of Mormon and the Bible, he is also unimpressed.

Mormons believe the Book of Mormon is more accurate than the bible.

I have brought up a couple of contradictions within the Book of Mormon itself, and contradictions between the Book of Mormon and other Mormon Doctrine and Writings of Joseph Smith.

The contradictions I have found within the Bible are much more blatant, and I am wondering if there are some very flagrant logical errors in the Book of Mormon as well.

Chris Weimer

Move. Far, far away. Now.

And here's a nice link for you here.

adzzy

The mormons claim their bible was written from original texts presented by an angel.

However in Isaiah, the mormon bible includes the word Lucifer, which is a distinctly latin word and introduced only in the latin translation, and no form thereof exists in either Hebrew or Greek to respresent this name.

http://www.lds-mormon.com/lucifer.shtml

There's a good start.

Have him consult a hebrew scholar on the wording himself if needs be.

St Jerome didn't make an error in using the word Lucifer, it was the right word for latin, as it meant when it did in greek and hebrew, however, it's not an english word, nor is it a name, it was a latin word meaning "Venus the morning star", which was a translation of heosphoros, which is "Venus the morning star" in greek, which itself is a translation of "heleyl, ben shachar" which is "shining one, son of dawn".

In other words, the application of the word Lucifer in english is a grave mistranslation.

AggressiveProgressiv

I already found that website, chris. It had a couple of good contradictions. Also, the usage of the word lucifer is a mistranslation.

However, I doubt either will convince him in the slightest. I am looking for the more irreconcilable logical errors. Some of the ones compiled here: http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...istencies.html are very very good.

Like, in the bible when it says that "God does not repent" a bunch of times, but then says "God repented for making Saul King of Israel" and "God was weary from repenting" and a bunch of other references to God repenting.

Or when it says that "God hates all who sow chaos" and then it says that "God sows Chaos"

Get the drift?

Stabby-

http://www.exmormon.org/tract2.htm

This may help.

FatherMithras

I know a guy at El cid doing the same thing...It's to marry some mormon girl when he graduates (cadets can't get married). It's sad to see them go.

Jabu Khan

The "Refiner's Fire" is a good book dealing with the History of the Mormon Church.

David B

The hell with contradictions with the bible! Internal inconsistencies and contradictions with science and history I'd suggest are the way to go.

David B

gregor

Just ask him to repeat out loud to you three times the bits about the angel Moroni, Jesus appearing to Native Americans, and the golden tablets that no one has ever seen.

If, after repeating this aloud to you, he can profess its believability, there's not much else you can do.

AggressiveProgressiv

gregor... i know... whenever I think about that stuff, especially their "archaeological evidence", it immediately reminds me of Erik von Daniken and "Chariots of the Gods"

My roomate does believe this stuff, but he is not totally without hope. He believes in science and evolution and is quite rational on most matters.

I brought up the lucifer plagarism thing... and he was quite shocked. I am going to see if I can find more plagarism within the Book of Mormon. Since this is such a big undertaking, i am going to see if I can utilize tools such as turnitin.com to help me... they are the experts on plagarism.