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02-03-2004, 08:15 AM

Is there any non-christian Nt scholar out there who would defend this verse of the Koran :

"And because of their boastful saying: Verily, we have killed the Messiah,
Jesus, the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah, - but they killed him not,
nor did they crucify him, but it was obscured for them. And verily, those
who differ about him are in doubt concerning him; they have no knowledge
thereof, but only follow a conjecture. Certainly, they slew him not!
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; for Allah is ever Mighty and Wise!"
4:157-158

Toto · 02-03-2004, 11:24 AM

What do you mean by defend?

Most non-Islamic scholars assume that Islam incorporates a heretical version of Christianity, which thought that Jesus did not actually die on the cross.

See docetism, Nestorianism

Quote:

in the early fifth century, a heresy arose that claimed that Christ not only had two natures, but that He was two persons, one human and the other divine. Named after Nestorius, the patriarch of Constantinople, Nestorians were willing to call Mary the Mother of Christ (Christotokos) because she conceived and gave birth to the human person of Christ. But they refused to say she is the Mother of God (Theotokos). The Council of Ephesus (431) condemned Nestorianism, declaring unhesitatingly that we should call �the holy Virgin Mother of God�.
Nestorian bishops, however, continued to propagate their views. The confusion this produced among the people contributed to the success of Islam among Christians in the seventh century. Islam, as we know, considers Jesus a great prophet, even the Messiah. He is called the �son of Mary� (Ibn Maryam), but according to Mohammed, Jesus may not be called �Son of God� (Ibn Allah). To this day, Moslems identify Christians as those who venerate Mary as the Mother of God.

or Ebiobism, although Islam seems to differ from Ebionism on several critical issues.

02-03-2004, 08:15 AM	#1
net2002 Guest Posts: n/a	The Koran V New T on crucifixion of jesus Is there any non-christian Nt scholar out there who would defend this verse of the Koran : "And because of their boastful saying: Verily, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah, - but they killed him not, nor did they crucify him, but it was obscured for them. And verily, those who differ about him are in doubt concerning him; they have no knowledge thereof, but only follow a conjecture. Certainly, they slew him not! Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; for Allah is ever Mighty and Wise!" 4:157-158

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