Dave

the guys a real asshole but is this true? he said the bible talks about the nails and stuff in jesus' hands and about the cross 'hundreds of years before the type the crucifixion jesus had even been invented'. is this true or false?

DinoStoned

I'm sorry, I didn't really get what you said. Did you mean that Psalms predicted a crucifixion?

Dave

yeah basically that and also that at the time psalms was written, crucifixion as in putting someone on a cross was unheard of and it never happened to anyone.

MagicBrowser

Did you ask him exactly which Psalm?

Dave

i think it mightve been psalm 122 not sure though.

Dave

nevermind here it is
The following are three proofs that Psalm 22 describes a crucifixion:

"They pierced my hands and my feet." Could there be clearer proof that the psalm describes a crucifixion? In what other mode of execution does the victim suffer a piercing of his hands and feet? Earlier, we showed that Jesus was held to the cross by three nails, one through each forearm and one through both heels.
"I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me." "Tell" means "count exactly" (7). Another peculiar feature of crucifixion is that before the executioners hoisted the victim into the air, they confiscated at least his outer garments. Jesus also suffered this indignity (John 19:23). A further account of Jesus' garments comes next.
"They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture." It was customary at a Roman crucifixion for the attending soldiers to divide the garments of the condemned man among themselves (8). Accordingly, the garments of Jesus were apportioned into four shares (John 19:23). The soldiers determined who would take His outer coat by casting lots (John 19:24).


my teacher said that crucifixions like that were unknown in those days and never happened until hundreds of years later, so this is an 'amazing propechy'

DinoStoned

[edited for redundancy]

DinoStoned

From what I read, the Psalm was lamenting the fact that God was not there to help the 'psalmist', that the 'psalmist' was beset by enemies all around, and that the 'psalmist' will praise the Lord if the Lord saves him.

Interesting quote, no?

So you can count your bones when you're being crucified? Please explain...

I'm more inclined to think that the Psalm referred to Israel as a nation, and that it was some kind of 'prayer' offered up to Jehovah to save the Israelites... but I'm no Bible scholar.

hungry_student

Pretty sure that refers to the fact that none of Jesus' bones were broken in his crucifixion.

See John 19:31-36 for the account of this:

"31 Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. 32Then the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first and of the other who was crucified with Him. 33But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs...36For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, "Not one of His bones shall be broken."

Also, and additional Psalm reference:

34:20 which states:

He guards all his bones;
Not one of them is broken.

-Matt

Magus55

Yes its true that crucifixion wasn't invented when Psalms was written, which is quite an interesting conundrum, but like Atheists claim theists do, they have their own apologetics to explain that it either isn't really referring to a crucifixion, or was written in later or something.