Jack the Bodiless

Why should we acknowledge that Ron has "found and publicized some very interesting material"?

How would this be "integrity"?

Still awaiting a scientific analysis of Ron's wheel. What was its C14 date?

Gooch's dad

This is f-ing hilarious. I'm absolutely stunned that anybody would have the chutzpah to actually try to defend Ron Wyatt as a source. What's next, claiming that Hovind is a respected scientist too? Praxeus, Wyatt has never substantiated ANYTHING he claimed. Where are the archeological finds? Who else has examined them? Are you tossing out all of the scientific method in order to save your belief? That's not very honest of you.

Sven

You apparently missed my comment: Still does not look like a wheel to me - more like a modern steering-wheel. :huh:

I simply right-clicked on the picture and chose "View image source".

[snip rant]

Sven

Look here and here - there you have both. :rolling:

Steven Avery

Sure, right off a 66 Dodge Dart. The Gulf was used as a steering wheel junkyard. I'll await your analysis comparing the various pics with well-preserved modern auto parts, instead of the discussion by Lennart Moller p. 210-215. You can forward your analysis to the fellow who did that laughable "book review". Throw in some spicy accusations, sans real evidence, and it will fit right in.
Dunno about the website as a whole, I see stuff that I would consider junque, and stuff that looks good. A mixture, like many presentations. I do appreciate that they scan in good pics, hopefully with permission.

There are folks who try to piggyback other stuff on the archaelogy of Ron Wyatt. Michael Rood is a good example. That is their right, however I have learned to try to separate out the various issues.

They put together relevant information about inscriptions, and the archaelogy, and the history, using the Grant Jeffrey book, Signature of God.. Jeffrey tends to be a mixture as well, lots of good stuff, lots of superficial stuff, and you do have to check the scholarship. The Ezekiel Tablets is one item he has discussed that is of some interest, although the base information comes from elsewhere.
Back to the Exodus webpage, interesting info on...

Historian Diodorus Siculus, about 10 B.C.
518 A.D. Cosmas Indicopleustes, Byzantine Christian writer
Bishop Robert Clayton of Ireland (1753)
Rev. Charles Forster (1862) (one place they have 1962)
Dr. Stewart - Author of "Sinai Photographed"
The Voice of Israel from the Rocks of Sinai (1851)
The Monuments of Egypt. (1853)
German explorer Barthold Niebuhr (1761)
Josephus reference to Manetho and Cheremon

Most or all not in the Lennart Moller book. I have never researched most of this, and the Stewart info, while referenced at .. http://nyjtimes.com/Heritage/News/2003/Apr/redsea2.htm
.. is debunked at...
http://www.bibleandscience.com/scien...atureofgod.htm

So ? I doubt if Ron Wyatt ever supported same. Interestingly some of its strongest support on the Net comes from Jack Kilmon, who does raise some good points.
There are many interesting articles on the question, and you can follow them through to the details of the studies.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=44282
Abortion-breast cancer link covered up by scientists?

http://www.newswithviews.com/news_wo...s_worthy56.htm
CANCER GROUPS, PLANNED PARENTHOOD TEAM UP AGAINST ABORTION-BREAST CANCER LINK

I am reasonably aware of the various minimalist and maximalist views, from Finkelstein to Dever to Kitchen and others. In this Exodus case they look in the wrong place (Sinai for the Exodus) and then make sweeping conclusions based on their own methodology error. Rather an elementary problem.

Shalom,
Praxeas
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Messianic_Apologetic/

RED DAVE

From praxeus:
Not an elementary problem at all. The problem, for you, is to point to verifiable evidence.

1) The photograph of the "wheel," whatever it is, is useless. In the absence of the actual object and systematic tests on it, it remains, at best, a piece of junk covered with crud. Likewise, the object that is supposedly a gold-covered wheel, looks, more than anything else, like a hubcap.

2) You have presented no evidence for 2 million people camping anywhere, Sinai or anywhere else, between Egypt and Canaan.

RED DAVE

yummyfur

I think the Sven meant a steering wheel from a modern boat, or even an older boat. I'm guessing, the most likely thing to find in a gulf, would be boat parts, as opposed to chariot wheels.

Sven

No need to get sarcastic. I only posted my opinion judging from a blurry image.

I note that this doesn't answer my question about the dating at all.

So? If they bring up this joke, their level of scholarship is at least questionable.

Now it's a conspiracy! :rolling:
Interesting that the paper was for: "National Catholic Bioethics Quarterly"
Do I sense a little bit of bias here?

OK, this looks more persuasive. But it's unfortunately already 2 years old. The articles I found at PubMed were from this period - it would be interesting how they explain them.
I'll reserve judgement for now.

Reasonable aware? Does this mean that you read them yourself or that you only read reviews written by critics?

If you had read the book, you would know that there's far more evidence against the entire Exodus scenario then just the lack of evidence in Sinai.

Diogenes the Cynic

1. What Septuagint error?
2. How do you explain the fact that there is no evidence whatever of the Israelite's alleged 400 year enslavement in Egypt (at a time when Egypt did not keep foreign slaves at all)?
3. What route are you saying the Israelites did take and where is the evidence of heir presence?

Gooch's dad

That's a brass handwheel off of a steamship, most likely. Here's a whole pile of similar handwheels from various marine equipment:




Here are a few more, and in the upper left is one that is almost identical to the Wyatt fraud picture:



So much for that nonsense.