aa5874

The short gMark found in the Sinaiticus and Vaticanus Codices is considered the earliest story of Jesus in the Canon and not only is it the earliest but the short gMark is the only story of Jesus that appears to be attested from the Baptism by John to the Empty Tomb after the burial of Jesus.

1.. It is extremely important to note that there is NO claim that Jesus would sacrifice himself for Remission of Sins in the short gMark.

2. It is extremely important to note that there is NO post-resurrection visit by Jesus in the short gMark.

3. It is extremely important to note that there is NO claim that Jesus ATE food after the resurrection in the short gMark.

4. It is extremely important to note that there is NO claim that the resurrected Jesus commisioned the disciples to preach the Gospel in the short gMark.

5. It is extremely important to noteThere is NO claim that Jesus Ascended from Galilee, Jerusalem or any place in the short gMark.

All Canonised writings, the other 26 books of the Canon, with the claim that Jesus sacrificied himself for Remission of sins, with Post-resurrection visits of Jesus and that he ATE food after he was raised from the dead, that he commissioned the disciples and then Ascended are AFTER the short gMark was composed.

Sheshbazzar

I agree with your view aa, as to when these texts were put together, however it is known historical fact that the 'Logos' concept had been kicking around and developing from at least since the time of Plato- c. 400 BCE. And the Jewish Messiah/'Son of Man'/'Joshua the High Priest' figure from the time of Daniel- c. 165 BCE or earlier.
It's not like any of these NT writers just started off with writing an entirely new theology on a blank piece of papyrus around 130 CE. They were all pulling of this stuff together and assembling it from diverse older sources and traditions, into a political protest propaganda narrative with a fictional protagonist.

aa5874

The short gMark and all other Canonised books were written at some specific time whether or not they used earlier concepts.

The short gMark story was composed AFTER the Fall of the Jewish Temple and was an explanation for the desolation of the Temple of the God of the Jews.

The Jesus of the short gMark was NOT a sacrifice for Remission of Sins.

In the short gMark, Jesus did NOT want people to understand him. He did NOT want the outsiders to be saved.

The Jesus of gMark came to fulfill so-called prophecies.

The Jews Rejected the Son of God and God destroyed the Jewish Temple.

All other authors of the 26 books of the Canon CHANGED the short gMark Jesus into a Sacrifice for Remission of Sins.

Gorit Maqueda

Does your brief analysis include Revelation? Is so unrelated to gMark that I don't know where to date it with respect to gMark.

MrMacSon

Yes, and that aligns with what other have deduced, & what aa says here -


and, the ongoing development of narratives was a common theme of the times -

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Originally Posted by aa5874 All other authors of the 26 books of the Canon CHANGED the short gMark Jesus into a Sacrifice for Remission of Sins.

which is why it might be better to say

aa, you are proposing this as part of the explanation?? ....

mountainman

Verses not in Vaticanus but in later manuscripts

Duvduv

I think we can also assume that the Empire both before and after Constantine had a wealth of material in their libraries in Rome and Constantinople from which they could learn about all the teachings of all nations and religious communities under their control and even beyond, as hinted even by our old friend "Justin" regarding the "Acts of Pontius Pilate".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperia...Constantinople
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...reece_and_Rome

aa5874

The blank space in the Vaticanus gMark may also suggest that the space was left for the interpolator.

Somebody in the Church must know who filled in the Blank Space in the other Codices.

The Blank space was not filled in by a miracle.

aa5874

The short gMark Predates all writings in the Canon including all the Pauline Epistles. The claim that Jesus was sacrificied for the Sins of all mankind was a late invention and is found nowhere in the short version of gMark.

The very first thing that is noticed in the short gMark is that John the Baptist is introduced as one who baptized in water for the Remission of Sins.

Mark 1 Now, when John spoke of Jesus, the Mighty One, he claimed that he would Baptize with the HOLY SPIRIT.
There is NO claim whatsoever that Jesus would sacrifice himself for the Sins of Mankind in gMark. The Jesus in gMark came to Baptize in the Holy Spirit.

Mark 1 The purpose of the Mighty One is identified in gMark—to Baptize in the Holy Spirit.

Now, examine the Later gJohn. The purpose of Jesus has been CHANGED. It is no longer to Baptize in the Holy Spirit but Jesus is a Sacrificial Lamb that came to take away the Sins of ALL the World.
John 1:29 CEBAThe Pauline letters ALSO MATCH the Changes in the Later gJohn. Nowhere in the earliest story of Jesus that he is called the Sacrificial Lamb.
1 Corinthians 5:7 CEBAThe short gMark is the earliest writing in the Entire Canon and was most likely composed BEFORE the Jesus cult began.

aa5874

In the previous post, it was shown that the short Markan Jesus came to Baptize in the Holy Ghost but in the Later Gospel it was changed. The Jesus of gJohn was a Sacrificial Lamb who came to be Sacrificied to take away the Sins of the World. The Pauline Epistles are compatible with gJohn and claim Jesus was a Sacrificial Lamb.

However, there is more evidence that the short gMark is the earliest writing in the Canon.

It can be shown that there were 2nd century Apologetic writers who did NOT accept Sacrifice of blood to God and even far worse the Sacrifice of a human being for Remission of Sins.

This is Aristides’ ApologyThis Athenagoras of Athens This is Minucius Felix OctaviusThese Apologetic writers show that Jesus as a Sacrifice was a Late Invention.
In the short gMark one simply had to BELIEVE Jesus was the Son of God and Messiah to be saved. The death and resurrection of Jesus had NOTHING whatsoever to with Remission of Sins.

Mark 9In the Later Gospel of John and Pauline writings Jesus was Sacrificied.

John 3:16 KJVGalatians 2:20 KJV The Pauline writings are compatible with the late Gospel of John but NOT with the earlier short gMark.

The short gMark is the earliest writing of the Entire Canon including the Pauline writings.