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stephan huller · 07-19-2012, 02:24 PM

Yes, I have been avoiding this topic for two years now but since Mary Helena has continually goaded me to get into it with her I have decided to take her up on the offer. We are not going to argue for the distinction of who is correct or more correct but I suggest Mary Helena and I have it out once and for all. We will battle for the distinction of whose theory about Herodian messiahs is more laughable and has less foundation. I will start things rolling with my first serve:

Marcus Julius Agrippa was acknowledged until recent times as the messiah of the Book of Daniel. It was the normative interpretation of Daniel 9:26 in the rabbinic tradition and the Yosippon while Philip isn't even known to any Jews whatsoever let alone as the messiah. Now Mary Helena can now respond with her take

Sarpedon · 07-19-2012, 02:46 PM

Is this meant to be a poll?

stephan huller · 07-19-2012, 02:50 PM

Sure why not. I thought of it originally as a way of embarrassing myself but whatever works

outhouse · 07-19-2012, 05:04 PM

Boy when you dig into the unknown, you go in head first lol

I hope you dont follow Eisenman

stephan huller · 07-19-2012, 05:23 PM

This is like having someone bring to your attention an ex girlfriend is now 400 pounds

Duke Leto · 07-19-2012, 07:45 PM

Doesn't sound like a competition either of you can hope to win.

stephan huller · 07-19-2012, 08:11 PM

Its only about losing

Diogenes the Cynic · 07-19-2012, 09:52 PM

Shouldn't Grave's Jesus-as-Herodian-bastard-prince theory be included in this?

stephan huller · 07-19-2012, 09:54 PM

Sure why not. Maybe Eisenman's work on the Qumran literature too if we feel generous.

Duke Leto · 07-20-2012, 03:56 PM

Kind of need more information here.

First we have absolutely no info on maryhelena's ideas.

As it is stated, as long as you are picking one Agrippa or the other your theory is fine by me. Don't know anything about speculation on who the Jewish Messiah might have been in Talmudic literature, and I really don't care. Theologians believe no end of idiotic nonsense and coming up with something more or less silly for them to believe is par for the course.

It's when you start fucking around with actual history that you need to be kicked in the ass.

07-19-2012, 02:24 PM	#1
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	Battle of the Silly People - Whose Herodian Theory is Sillier? Yes, I have been avoiding this topic for two years now but since Mary Helena has continually goaded me to get into it with her I have decided to take her up on the offer. We are not going to argue for the distinction of who is correct or more correct but I suggest Mary Helena and I have it out once and for all. We will battle for the distinction of whose theory about Herodian messiahs is more laughable and has less foundation. I will start things rolling with my first serve: Marcus Julius Agrippa was acknowledged until recent times as the messiah of the Book of Daniel. It was the normative interpretation of Daniel 9:26 in the rabbinic tradition and the Yosippon while Philip isn't even known to any Jews whatsoever let alone as the messiah. Now Mary Helena can now respond with her take

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07-19-2012, 02:46 PM	#2
Sarpedon Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Minnesota, the least controversial state in the le Posts: 8,446	Is this meant to be a poll?

07-19-2012, 02:50 PM	#3
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	Sure why not. I thought of it originally as a way of embarrassing myself but whatever works

07-19-2012, 05:04 PM	#4
outhouse Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Auburn ca Posts: 4,269	Boy when you dig into the unknown, you go in head first lol I hope you dont follow Eisenman

07-19-2012, 05:23 PM	#5
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	This is like having someone bring to your attention an ex girlfriend is now 400 pounds

07-19-2012, 07:45 PM	#6
Duke Leto Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 3,387	Doesn't sound like a competition either of you can hope to win.

07-19-2012, 08:11 PM	#7
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	Its only about losing

07-19-2012, 09:52 PM	#8
Diogenes the Cynic Moderator - Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 4,639	Shouldn't Grave's Jesus-as-Herodian-bastard-prince theory be included in this?

07-19-2012, 09:54 PM	#9
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	Sure why not. Maybe Eisenman's work on the Qumran literature too if we feel generous.

07-20-2012, 03:56 PM	#10
Duke Leto Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 3,387	Kind of need more information here. First we have absolutely no info on maryhelena's ideas. As it is stated, as long as you are picking one Agrippa or the other your theory is fine by me. Don't know anything about speculation on who the Jewish Messiah might have been in Talmudic literature, and I really don't care. Theologians believe no end of idiotic nonsense and coming up with something more or less silly for them to believe is par for the course. It's when you start fucking around with actual history that you need to be kicked in the ass.

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