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Answerer · 07-15-2004, 10:35 PM

Virgin Mary.

No, just kidding.

I can't really recall (I read it a few years ago) but I think she was called by some names, Anath/Asherah or Shekinah or Matronit by the Canaanites and Jews of the Solomon's times.

Then again, she might really be Virgin Mary after all, haha

Chili · 07-15-2004, 11:07 PM

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Virgin Mary.

No, just kidding.

I can't really recall (I read it a few years ago) but I think she was called by some names, Anath/Asherah or Shekinah or Matronit by the Canaanites and Jews of the Solomon's times.

Then again, she might really be Virgin Mary after all, haha

Can't be. The question was "who was the queen of heaven" and Mary is the queen of heaven.

Answerer · 07-17-2004, 02:49 AM

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Can't be. The question was "who was the queen of heaven" and Mary is the queen of heaven.

Oh, so Mary is the Queen of heaven now. So, does she get to see God everyday? And how she accept the fact that both her King and Son are one entity?

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I'm not convinced by the Asherah connection. Is your source Freedman?

No, I can't really recall but I think its Laurene Gardener and someone else.

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The Shekinah was a CE goddess--the Presence of YHWH. A Kabbalistic concept

Oh yeah, the Kabbalistic concept I saw it before but it didn't stick to my mind. Sighz, me and my bad memory, must be getting old.

Chili · 07-17-2004, 03:39 PM

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Oh, so Mary is the Queen of heaven now. So, does she get to see God everyday? And how she accept the fact that both her King and Son are one entity?

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It's the son that crowned her queen after she was assumed into heaven. There is no trinity in heaven which had already become one in Purgatory with the descend of the dove just after the father and son had become one.

Magdlyn · 07-18-2004, 08:44 AM

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There is no trinity in heaven which had already become one in Purgatory with the descend of the dove just after the father and son had become one.

What?

Clivedurdle · 07-18-2004, 01:53 PM

Chili, during the nineteenth century the catholic church promoted Mary into a fourth part of the Godhead!

Jung and the quaternity

Clivedurdle · 07-18-2004, 01:56 PM

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As we remember, Pauli's intention was to show Jung, why he does not accept the Pope's dogma of the Assumptio Mariae.

For him, Jung's "quaternity projected into heaven" is of course some sort of Assumption: "Disinfected matter" (the Catholic Holy Virgin Mary) is taken up in the heavens and there - together with the Holy Trinity - completes a quaternity.

This quaternity is - as the one of the Christian cross - a (3+1) structure, meaning that three parts are equal and the fourth is the "totally different" ("das ganze Andere").

Furthermore, because Mary is without any sin, Evil is absent. Matter is now a "disinfected" Idea in the beyond of the heavens (in the Empyreum) and therefore the Assumption is a Platonic or Neoplatonic concept.

As we have seen, Jung postulates, that the structure of the Self, the center of the collective unconscious, is a quaternity.

Clivedurdle · 07-18-2004, 02:06 PM

Jung and the trinity

(This also discusses Campbell and heroes!)

Clivedurdle · 07-18-2004, 02:09 PM

Mother of God

Clivedurdle · 07-18-2004, 02:51 PM

Mary as the bride of the Holy spirit!

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Answerer Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,956	Virgin Mary. No, just kidding. I can't really recall (I read it a few years ago) but I think she was called by some names, Anath/Asherah or Shekinah or Matronit by the Canaanites and Jews of the Solomon's times. Then again, she might really be Virgin Mary after all, haha

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