Jenn6162

The Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced. Prophecy
Psalm 22:16c
"... they pierced my hands and my feet."
Fulfillment
Matthew 27:38
"And they crucified him ..."

http://www.messiahrevealed.org/

I was hoping to start a discussion on fulfilled prophecy. We know that the Psalms were written around the 10th century BC, so how could this prophecy be so amazingly accurate while being written so long ago? We know that a man named Jesus was crucified for claiming to be the Son of God, so this in my opinion is not the kind of prophecy which is unverifiable requiring faith to believe. Thoughts??

Paradox

It would be a logical assumption to assume that the prophecies had been written after the event (e.g. the destruction of the temple in A.D. 70 being a good example)

Also, editors and translators could easily be biased when reproducing the Scriptures, assuming that certain words mean certain things. Knowing that they are looking at a prophecy that they believe to have been fulfilled, they are much more likely to use words that back that philosophy up - a kind of circular reasoning. Sometimes intentional, sometimes not.

Also, some prophecy is deliberately vague and rich in picture language therefore open to interpretation - e,g. the book of Revelation.

Matt the Medic

Self-fulfilling prophecy comes to mind, with your example.

Spherical Time

I thought they'd conclusively proven that you can't be crucified through the hands: It won't support the weight of the body. Doesn't that indicate that this prophecy is actually incorrect, since Jesus would have been pierced through the wrist?

Not sure, I'm just a newbie in EoG and all.

Jenn6162

But Jesus was not the one that demanded he be crucified, so how is that a self-fulfilling prophecy?

Matt the Medic

That's a pretty good one!

Matt the Medic

Is Jesus the one writing the account of Jesus's crucifiction?

Matt the Medic

mod note: I'm moving this thread to BC&H for proper addressing.

intrepidation, eog mod

Selsaral

In the same book that the prophecy is written it's fulfilled. It's all very vague and it was all written thousands of years ago. Let's keep in mind this same book features giants, whales who eat humans (who stay alive), zombies walking around, talking donkeys, talking snakes, many many more absurd things, and endless anthropomorphized explanations for natural events (better known as creation myths).

I don't buy it for the same reason I don't believe Miss Cleo can tell the future or that John Edwards talks to dead people.

I must also say that the incredible mental gymnastics that others have gone through to defend many of these prophecies (read the destruction of tyre thread, or any of Ed's threads) places considerable doubt on them as a whole.

Jenn6162

Well yes and no. The Gospels were written under the inspiration of the HS. Jesus being part of the trinity, obviously had a part in that. While he was on earth, it played out as he always knew it would. One cannot say that he made it a self-fulfilling prophecy though, because he played no part in his death.