Originally Posted by Iskander

The early Christians were a breakaway Jewish sect which had been declared heretic and cursed.

Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

In the story. ... but in reality they were something much different. Foreign gentiles that only had a second-hand and inaccurate acquaintance with first century Judaism and its practices, or of the geography of the areas they were using for their fabricated story settings.
Second century foreigners of whom the Jews of first century Jerusalem had never heard of, or wrote a thing about.

Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

In the story. ... but in reality they were something much different. Foreign gentiles that only had a second-hand and inaccurate acquaintance with first century Judaism and its practices, or of the geography of the areas they were using for their fabricated story settings.
Second century foreigners of whom the Jews of first century Jerusalem had never heard of, or wrote a thing about.

Originally Posted by Duvduv

However, there is no evidence at all of any "Jewish Christian sect" anywhere, not even as references in any midrash or Talmudic tractate.
Yaakov of Sechanya was not a Christian. He healed people by whispering the name of Yeshu ben Pandera. If Yaakov was a "James" I don't know, but the Talmud does not even question that this man was said to heal people by whispering the name of Yeshu, as a feature of "kishuf" (magic).

Originally Posted by Iskander

It is not a story. I have provided evidence in this thread: Rav Kook, Professor Schiffman.Proffesor Tziyyon, Talmud Shabbat

I have provided a working model of early Christianity based on the work of Professor Harnack.

Christianity began as a Jewish sect; this sect was made to feel unwelcome at the council of Yaneh and ceased to be known as sect of Judaism. The rabbis burnt and destroyed evidence of the existence of the heretics

The new Christian religion became a Gentile religion with the religious Jewish intolerance and the wild imagination of Gnosticism.

Endless discussions and groups eventually became Christianity .The history of their arguing is what later became the history of ‘heresies’

Constantine had no influence on the theology of Christianity and he was followed by Arian and Pagan emperors , the sppliting of the Empire and the destruction of the Latin Empire.

Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

We discussed that years ago here! Terry Jones Barbarians! Poor bloke in about 380 goes to have much needed turkish bath in Constantinople and says to the attendant - lovely bath - and gets the response ah but is the son equal to the father.

Originally Posted by Description

'We authorise followers of this law to assume the title of orthodox Christians; but as for the others since, in our judgement, they are foolish madmen, we decree that they shall be branded with the ignominious names of heretics.'

- Emperor Theodosius.

In AD 381, Theodosius, emperor of the eastern Roman empire, issued a decree in which all his subjects were required to subscribe to a belief in the Trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

This edict defined Christian orthodoxy and brought to an end a lively and wide-ranging debate about the nature of the Godhead; all other interpretations were now declared heretical.

Moreover, for the first time in a thousand years of Greco-Roman civilization free thought was unambiguously suppressed.

Not since the attempt of the pharaoh Akhenaten to impose his god Aten on his Egyptian subjects in the fourteenth century BC had there been such a widesweeping programme of religious coercion.

Yet surprisingly this political revolution, intended to bring inner cohesion to an empire under threat from the outside, has been airbrushed from the historical record. Instead, it has been claimed that the Christian Church had reached a consensus on the Trinity which was promulgated at the Council of Constantinople in AD 381.

In this groundbreaking new book, acclaimed historian Charles Freeman shows that the council was in fact a shambolic affair, which only took place after Theodosius' decree had become law. In short, the Church was acquiescing in the overwhelming power of the emperor.

Freeman argues that Theodosius' edict and the subsequent suppression of paganism not only brought an end to the diversity of religious and philosophical beliefs throughout the empire but created numerous theological problems for the Church, which have remained unsolved. The year AD 381, Freeman concludes, marked 'a turning point which time forgot'.

Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

How many layers of editing are there in the Hebrew and Christian Bibles? Might various groups, especially little splinter ones, been able to insert and delete important stuff over several centuries?

Originally Posted by Iskander

I have provided a working model of early Christianity based on the work of Professor Harnack.

Originally Posted by mountainman

We need to have also a working model for the gnostic heretics and Harnack wrote before the discovery of the Nag Hammadi codices and other ms finds.






When was the council of Yaneh and what's your source and it's date?



Constantine published the bible, personally appointed hundreds of bishops, made an influential appearance at the Council of Nicaea, tortured pagans on account of their "religious fraud", legislated heavily in favour of the Christian religion, constructed many basilicas and destroyed many pagan temples and even gave an oration at the Council of Antioch.





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