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Chili · 11-12-2004, 05:53 AM

Exactly and that makes Mary non-Jewish and Jesus the Christ who was born of God not subject to Jewish law.

Chili · 11-12-2004, 06:16 AM

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Christianity likes to pretend that 'Christ was the end of the Law', however even by their teaching, the Law was in effect until his death. Thus he, prior to his death, would also need submit to its dictates or be found a transgressor.

Yes it was. The Law was given to Moses to convict and it did just that but no more. The Law itself does not kill but needs the enforcement of the law to kill the sinner and to achieve this Jesus had to provoke those in charge of the law.

Sheshbazzar · 11-12-2004, 06:37 AM

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Exactly and that makes Mary non-Jewish and Jesus the Christ who was born of God not subject to Jewish law.

Was he the "King of the Jews"? (Matt 27:37, Mk. 15:26, Lu. 23:38, Joh. 12:15 etc.) then if so, there was (and yet is) a Law specifically applicable for "The King of the Jews" Deut. 17:15-20 If he was in any way in violation, He was NOT, and could not be, the KING whom Yahweh chose.

Chili · 11-12-2004, 07:16 AM

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Was he the "King of the Jews"? (Matt 27:37, Mk. 15:26, Lu. 23:38, Joh. 12:15 etc.) then if so, there was (and yet is) a Law specifically applicable for "The King of the Jews" Deut. 17:15-20 If he was in any way in violation, He was NOT, and could not be, the KING whom Yahweh chose.

Yes he was "King of the Jews" in his own right but not the KING the other Jews were looking for and therefore they had to convict Jesus the ex Jew who was set free from Judaism ever since Christ was born in him from God via the Immaculate conception. Remember here that Jesus had a dual identity with the old identity being that of Joseph the Jew unto whom the new Christ identity was born and therefore he was to be called Jesus of Nazareth.

The problem is that the Jews were expecting a 'universal' coming of the messiah just as Bush and co. are looking for a universal second coming of Christ while the truth is that the messiah comes to the chosen individual in his or her own time.

So in the end he was the KING whom Yahweh chose but the Jews perceived it wrong, as they must, for they are needed to convict the outer man to die so as to set the inner man free.

Judaism is a self contained religion that will not leave anyone stranded in the saved sinner paradox on its own and Jesus proved this to be true despite Moses and his bright ideas just as it will leave Bush stranded despite Billy Graham and his bright ideas.

Jehanne · 11-12-2004, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Chili

Yes he was "King of the Jews" in his own right but not the KING the other Jews were looking for and therefore they had to convict Jesus the ex Jew who was set free from Judaism ever since Christ was born in him from God via the Immaculate conception. Remember here that Jesus had a dual identity with the old identity being that of Joseph the Jew unto whom the new Christ identity was born and therefore he was to be called Jesus of Nazareth.

The problem is that the Jews were expecting a 'universal' coming of the messiah just as Bush and co. are looking for a universal second coming of Christ while the truth is that the messiah comes to the chosen individual in his or her own time.

So in the end he was the KING whom Yahweh chose but the Jews perceived it wrong, as they must, for they are needed to convict the outer man to die so as to set the inner man free.

Judaism is a self contained religion that will not leave anyone stranded in the saved sinner paradox on its own and Jesus proved this to be true despite Moses and his bright ideas just as it will leave Bush stranded despite Billy Graham and his bright ideas.

a first-century religious loon who ended-up getting executed by the Romans. There were dozens of other such individuals in first-century Palestine.

Chili · 11-12-2004, 07:27 AM

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Based on the Law, and the Judgments, and Decrees of the 'Authorized' Priesthood, all Jews would be bound to reject his, and his disciples claims to kingship.

I have no problem with that and maintain that the condemnation of Jesus to die was the 'best' thing the Jews ever did . . . lest he become "the final imposter who will be much worse than the first (Mat27:64)."

Chili · 11-12-2004, 07:30 AM

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a first-century religious loon who ended-up getting executed by the Romans. There were dozens of other such individuals in first-century Palestine.

Good, but remember here that in the case of Jesus only the ego was crucified and the other loons were (if you say so) executed by the Inquisitor.

Sheshbazzar · 11-12-2004, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chili

Yes he was "King of the Jews" in his own right but not the KING the other Jews were looking for and therefore they had to convict Jesus the ex Jew who was set free from Judaism ever since Christ was born in him from God via the Immaculate conception. Remember here that Jesus had a dual identity with the old identity being that of Joseph the Jew unto whom the new Christ identity was born and therefore he was to be called Jesus of Nazareth.

The problem is that the Jews were expecting a 'universal' coming of the messiah just as Bush and co. are looking for a universal second coming of Christ while the truth is that the messiah comes to the chosen individual in his or her own time.

So in the end he was the KING whom Yahweh chose but the Jews perceived it wrong, as they must, for they are needed to convict the outer man to die so as to set the inner man free.

Judaism is a self contained religion that will not leave anyone stranded in the saved sinner paradox on its own and Jesus proved this to be true despite Moses and his bright ideas just as it will leave Bush stranded despite Billy Graham and his bright ideas.

A lot of wordy philosophizing Chili, but by the Decree of Yahweh's Law, and by the Decision of Yahweh's duly appointed Priests and Judges, If he indeed conducted himself at all as alleged in these fabricated gospels, he was likewise indeed guilty of the just charges leveled against him.

Jehanne · 11-12-2004, 08:47 AM

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Good, but remember here that in the case of Jesus only the ego was crucified and the other loons were (if you say so) executed by the Inquisitor.

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Boro Nut · 11-12-2004, 09:13 AM

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a first-century religious loon who ended-up getting executed by the Romans. There were dozens of other such individuals in first-century Palestine.

Absolute poppycock. There were thousands of them.

Boro Nut

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