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Old 08-14-2009, 06:58 PM   #1
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Both or better all three of the Abrahamic religions .

What makes you say that Islam and Christianity are 'Abrahamic'? They do not follow Hebrew laws, and have no biological connection with Abraham or Moses. Consider this:

Europeans who begat christianity at no time followed any of the Hebrew laws - ever; not before they became christian or after. In fact they negated all laws which they did not want to follow, and added laws totally in contrast of the Hebrew bible.

The pre-Islamic Arabs never followed the Abrahamic or Mosaic beliefs, and also have no biological connection with Abraham. The Arab race is 2,500 years old and Abraham lived 4000 years ago - there were no Arabs in that 1,500 year period, nor did they follow Abrahamic laws in that time.

Both religions emerged thinking Israel was dead. They destroyed the Jewish homeland and proclaimed themselves owners of the land and religion. Both made demands and doctrines in total contradiction of the Hebrew bible and of their own doctrines, introducing chaos, insanity and mass murder wherever they went, and converting by force. There is nothing Abrahamic of both those religions.
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What makes you say that Islam and Christianity are 'Abrahamic'?
The God they worship is alleged to be the same God who is worshipped by Jews. All three religions assert that Abraham was the founder of the Jewish nation. It follows that Abraham's God, i.e. the Jewish God, is also the Christian God and the Muslim God. Therefore, whenever it is necessary to refer to all three religions collectively, it is convenient to refer to them as worshippers of the Abrahamic God or, more concisely, as the Abrahamic religions.

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They do not follow Hebrew laws, and have no biological connection with Abraham or Moses.
The label is not intended as a reference either to any of their practices or to their genealogy. It is intended solely as a reference to the common object of their worship.
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Both or better all three of the Abrahamic religions .

What makes you say that Islam and Christianity are 'Abrahamic'? They do not follow Hebrew laws, and have no biological connection with Abraham or Moses. Consider this:

Europeans who begat christianity at no time followed any of the Hebrew laws - ever; not before they became christian or after. In fact they negated all laws which they did not want to follow, and added laws totally in contrast of the Hebrew bible.

The pre-Islamic Arabs never followed the Abrahamic or Mosaic beliefs, and also have no biological connection with Abraham. The Arab race is 2,500 years old and Abraham lived 4000 years ago - there were no Arabs in that 1,500 year period, nor did they follow Abrahamic laws in that time.

Both religions emerged thinking Israel was dead. They destroyed the Jewish homeland and proclaimed themselves owners of the land and religion. Both made demands and doctrines in total contradiction of the Hebrew bible and of their own doctrines, introducing chaos, insanity and mass murder wherever they went, and converting by force. There is nothing Abrahamic of both those religions.
Abraham is the father of monotheism. This is the first of the ten commandments of the Old Testament which was confirmed by both Jesus and Mohamed. Unless we deny history there is no doubt that Arabs and Jews are descendent of Abraham. In short, regardless of his/her race whosoever practices monotheism is a follower of Abraham.
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I'm pretty sure that the version of Ra my Akhnaten(sp?) was the first monotheist god...

Also, what Doug said.
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Unless we deny history there is no doubt that Arabs and Jews are descendent of Abraham.

It is more powerful when one chooses to belief a premise when they are not biologically connected. That all humanity emerged generically from one family aside, both today's Arabs and Christians are NOT connected via a biological thread and are not descendents of Abraham. This relates to correct history.

It is also clear that while both religions follow the Abrahamic belief by choice, as opposed to a genealogical thread, they do so with numerous contradictions in their beliefs within themselves, and of the Abrahamic belief followed for 2000 years before both these religions emerged - and both of them cannot be right.
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I'm pretty sure that the version of Ra my Akhnaten(sp?) was the first monotheist god...

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First monotheistic 'pagan' deity, and this is commonplace throughout humanity's early history. The Abrahamic belief turned the page of history like no other, marking an epochal shift, akin to the Industrial Revolution.
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Abraham is the father of monotheism. This is the first of the ten commandments of the Old Testament which was confirmed by both Jesus and Mohamed. Unless we deny history there is no doubt that Arabs and Jews are descendent of Abraham. In short, regardless of his/her race whosoever practices monotheism is a follower of Abraham.
No contest. The identification of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob [forefathers/plural] is contained in C1.
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It is intended solely as a reference to the common object of their worship.
This is not the case. The Arab muslims also claim a different slant on history - denying Jews their correct position via a host of inculcated beliefs presented as historical truths, and also that of their own geneology. The belief is based on a unilaterally preferred truth as opposed a historical truth, and a distruth puts a big dent on any belief.

Subsequently, all historical truth is over-turned, and this can lead to great crimes commited openly and in the face of the world. There is a reason why these three religions have resulted in chaos, insanity and the greatest mass murders in Geo-History.
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Both are based on Judaism, so yes they are.
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Both are based on Judaism, so yes they are.

In actuality, it is wrong to see this as a Judaistic belief. Better, all three follow the one belief, in varrying and contradicting degrees. Monotheism is also a scientific equation, same as MC2 and ToE.
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