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Old 06-25-2001, 08:56 AM   #11
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Foxhole Atheist:
Jesus was suppose to return some 2000 years ago, as he told his apostles, but he never showed up. I think he died, or something like that.</font>
He just went "Where no man had gone before !" in the SS Enterprise.
 
Old 06-25-2001, 08:58 AM   #12
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[quote]<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Tercel:
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We see here as Pfypher says that Jesus had here a new incorruptable body. Although I am not sure that these will be necessarily the same as pre-Fall ones.
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Surely not! We don't want those old ones,
we want the new Binford model 2000! Oh oh oh oh oh!

So, Phyfer says.... where did this concept
originate? Did Jesus ever talk about it?
(Can't remember).

 
Old 06-25-2001, 01:11 PM   #13
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Tercel:
You are merely demonstrating your ignorance of Christian writers and theories here hezekiahjones.</font>
Nah, I knew who he meant, despite your outrageous "presuppositionalism."

Lewis is the dude who came up with that "meathead, moron, or malefactor" (and I might add "or myth") fallacy, taken to such effective lengths by Josh McDowell.

If C.S. was such a tremendous apologist, how come chrispians are still apologizing?

P.S. I hope you don't drive a Tercel; they're death traps. Hit anything bigger than a Corolla, and you're squashed like a bug.
 
Old 06-25-2001, 06:46 PM   #14
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kosh:
So, Phyfer says.... where did this concept
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I don't think Jesus ever talks about it. Paul does though - See Romans or Corithians or both. (I can't remember either)
 
Old 06-25-2001, 06:48 PM   #15
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by hezekiahjones:
P.S. I hope you don't drive a Tercel; they're death traps. Hit anything bigger than a Corolla, and you're squashed like a bug.</font>
Hmm... perhaps I should change my moniker. I had actually never heard of the Tercel car until Bobk tried to make a joke about it recently (which of course I didn't get).
 
Old 06-25-2001, 09:36 PM   #16
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Asimis:
Hello all. I have been thinking about our dear and beloved Jesus Christ and I have encountered a little hole.

How could Jesus in front of all of his followers, rise to heaven in human form? How he took his body AND soul to heaven?

I don’t think this is possible, since the people from heaven are not carnal. And the body is considered something “dirty” and sinful by them.

And according to the whole Christian teaching, once you die your soul goes to heaven and is judged according to the actions you made in your carnal life. I am not saying that Jesus was or should have been judged or anything. I am talking about the process here, you die and your soul goes to heaven. But the body stays here and is buried.

Thanks for your time
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Maybe he "beamed up" and when he got there he transmagraphied.
 
Old 06-25-2001, 10:48 PM   #17
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Asimis:
So, now his humanity remained in the cross? Yes he died in the cross and he rised with a carnal body to heaven. The body could be touched as one of his diciples did. So it was a real body.

P.S. Yes he is my beloved Jesus Christ
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Yes but a body cannot be carnal nor can a body be human. Our minds can be human and our thoughts and desires can be carnal.

Of course it was a real body because it is only in our mind that we are removed from God.

Amos

 
Old 06-26-2001, 06:14 PM   #18
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Amos123:
Our minds can be human and our thoughts and desires can be carnal.

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In the Book of Kings we have 185,000
cadavers that marched back to Nineveh. Were they human?

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Old 06-26-2001, 06:42 PM   #19
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First of all, forgive my leaving off the "CS" from Lewis. My friends and I talk about him quite often, so I often forget that others may not know who he is. I apologize.

For the most comprehensive treatise in the Bible pertaining to the resurrection, see 1 Corinthians 15, particularly verses 40 through the end. It is in this passage that the argument is presented for the imperishable and immortal bodies which we shall obtain in heaven.

Peace.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by offa:
In the Book of Kings we have 185,000
cadavers that marched back to Nineveh. Were they human?

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I don't know offa because I never read the Book of Kings.

Human means earthly because the prefix -hu indicates this (-hu is from -humi is earthly). The addition of the prefix -hu reduced man from heavenly to earthly (if you allow me to posite heaven opposite to earth), and thus all humans are earthly beings from which follows that the redemption of man would be equal to the deletion of of the prefix -hu when humanity is annihilated (crucified). Our human-ity is a "condition of being" that pertains to "the being" (much like "red hair" and personal-ity."

Amos

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