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Old 06-24-2001, 03:47 PM   #1
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Question Little question about the resurrection

Hello all. I have been thinking about our dear and beloved Jesus Christ and I have encountered a little hole.

How could Jesus in front of all of his followers, rise to heaven in human form? How he took his body AND soul to heaven?

I donŐt think this is possible, since the people from heaven are not carnal. And the body is considered something ŇdirtyÓ and sinful by them.

And according to the whole Christian teaching, once you die your soul goes to heaven and is judged according to the actions you made in your carnal life. I am not saying that Jesus was or should have been judged or anything. I am talking about the process here, you die and your soul goes to heaven. But the body stays here and is buried.

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Old 06-24-2001, 04:18 PM   #2
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He got this spaceship by the name of "SS Enterprise" & when he is ready to leave, he just says "Beam me up Scotty !". Then a white beam of light will surround him & then pull him into the SS Enterprise.
Since the people are unable to see all the way to space (SS Enterprise is in space) they can only see him becoming smaller & smaller until he disappear.

Hows that for an answer ?
Yes ! Yes ! I got to do the Star Trek type post first !
 
Old 06-24-2001, 05:13 PM   #3
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Asimis:
Hello all. I have been thinking about our dear and beloved Jesus Christ and I have encountered a little hole.

How could Jesus in front of all of his followers, rise to heaven in human form? How he took his body AND soul to heaven?

I donŐt think this is possible, since the people from heaven are not carnal. And the body is considered something ŇdirtyÓ and sinful by them.

And according to the whole Christian teaching, once you die your soul goes to heaven and is judged according to the actions you made in your carnal life. I am not saying that Jesus was or should have been judged or anything. I am talking about the process here, you die and your soul goes to heaven. But the body stays here and is buried.

Thanks for your time
Good Day.
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Actually, it's a very good question. It seems that we will have bodies in heaven, but new, incorruptible bodies, not susceptible (sp?) to sickness, disease, or death. Lewis describes our present earth as a shadow of heaven, where everything will be made as it was pre-fall. So we will have bodies in heaven, though they will be completely incorruptible.
 
Old 06-24-2001, 05:21 PM   #4
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by pfypher:
It seems that we will have bodies in heaven, but new, incorruptible bodies, not susceptible (sp?) to sickness, disease, or death.</font>


And where, pray tell, did you apprehend this fanciful thought?

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Lewis describes our present earth as a shadow of heaven, where everything will be made as it was pre-fall.</font>


Lewis who? Lewis Carroll?

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">So we will have bodies in heaven, though they will be completely incorruptible. </font>
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Old 06-24-2001, 05:48 PM   #5
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Lewis describes our present earth as a shadow of heaven, where everything will be made as it was pre-fall.

Lewis who? Lewis Carroll?</font>
Clives Staples (CS) Lewis. Arguably the greatest Christian writer of the 20th century.
You are merely demonstrating your ignorance of Christian writers and theories here hezekiahjones.

Answering the original question:
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">How could Jesus in front of all of his followers, rise to heaven in human form? How he took his body AND soul to heaven?</font>
Jesus' post resurrection body was clearly of a different nature and reality to the previous one. He is able to enter a locked room, appear and dissapear at will, and is often not recognised immediately. We see here as Pfypher says that Jesus had here a new incorruptable body. Although I am not sure that these will be necessarily the same as pre-Fall ones.

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Old 06-24-2001, 05:49 PM   #6
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Asimis, the Christian faith is that death is the separation of the soul and the body. At the moment of death, the soul of the Christian is taken to be 'with Jesus'. The body is buried and awaits the return of Christ Jesus on the Last Day for the general resurrection from the dead of all people, a bodily resurrection. Jesus, as the 'firstfruits', of this ONE resurrection, is the first and only man so far to be raised. You are right in saying that the rest of us must wait to the resurrection of the body at a future date, but Jesus has already gone through the process.

You might also note that the Christian hope is not simply the soul's presence with Christ in heaven following death, but the future resurrection of the body and the restored creation. Christ will return to this earth and restore it and we will live bodily with him here on earth. (cf. Romans 8:18-25, Revelation 21, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, John 5:28-29)

Enjoy the day of the Lord.
 
Old 06-24-2001, 06:21 PM   #7
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Jesus was suppose to return some 2000 years ago, as he told his apostles, but he never showed up. I think he died, or something like that.
 
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Ok, you say that Jesus was (after his dead) in a different body. With this body he could appear and disappear at will. But what difference there is when Jesus is dead and when he resurrected?

He could do miracles when he was alive, and he was asked to do miracles in front of the ones who didnŐt believed in him. But he refused to do so, not because he couldnŐt, but because he just didnŐt wanted to. And it appears that he could do something more impressive than appearing in a different place. He had the powers but he didnŐt wanted to use them.

Now about that ONE resurrection. I will pretend for a while that it did in fact happened And his body was intact because he was only dead for three days; and it was an example of what will happened to the dead in his second coming. But there is another factor to consider and it is that there are people who have been dead for years and their buried bodies have already turned to dust, they are no longer bodies just dust.

How God and/or Jesus will handle this is beyond me.

Good day.
 
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Asimis:
Hello all. I have been thinking about our dear and beloved Jesus Christ and I have encountered a little hole.

How could Jesus in front of all of his followers, rise to heaven in human form? How he took his body AND soul to heaven?

I donŐt think this is possible, since the people from heaven are not carnal. And the body is considered something ŇdirtyÓ and sinful by them.

And according to the whole Christian teaching, once you die your soul goes to heaven and is judged according to the actions you made in your carnal life. I am not saying that Jesus was or should have been judged or anything. I am talking about the process here, you die and your soul goes to heaven. But the body stays here and is buried.

Thanks for your time
Good Day.
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I actually doubt if he is your dear and beloved JC.

Where did you get the idea that he rose in "human" form? It is absurd to even suggest such a thing because it was his humanity that was nailed to the cross so he could rise body and soul into heaven.

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Old 06-25-2001, 05:21 AM   #10
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I actually doubt if he is your dear and beloved JC.

Where did you get the idea that he rose in "human" form? It is absurd to even suggest such a thing because it was his humanity that was nailed to the cross so he could rise body and soul into heaven.</font>
So, now his humanity remained in the cross? Yes he died in the cross and he rised with a carnal body to heaven. The body could be touched as one of his diciples did. So it was a real body.

P.S. Yes he is my beloved Jesus Christ
 
 

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