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Old 08-29-2001, 10:08 PM   #1
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Angry What is Genesis telling us ?

Here is another one with Genesis.

Genesis 3:22-23

And the Lord God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowd to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and live forever."

S O the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden .....

Note: The use of the word SO signifies a cause and effect relationship.

Take the God and Satan stuff away for a moment :

At university, you are registering for your courses, a professor come up and said to you,
"You can take any course except Religion 101: Intro. to Good and Evil"

You asked, "Why ?"

He replied, "Because it would make you almost as good as I am".

Question :

What kind of university do you think you are in ?



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Old 08-30-2001, 09:36 AM   #2
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<STRONG>What is Genesis telling us?</STRONG>
I think it's telling me that the person who wrote it knew nothing about anything, or, if you prefer, absolutely everything about fuck-all. I include goat herding in that too.
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Seeker of truth, let me suggest to you that genisis is trying to tell you to get your mind right." you got you mind right yet luke"

the movie cool hand luke.


now consider the following.


The "allegory" of cain and abel;
first we have to understand the meaning of the names, cain means :tiller of the soil" We are cain when we dig up from our earth (mind). I am sure that many times you have asked someone "where did you dig that up."
Our ideas which originate from the left side (brain) are Cain.

Abel means " keeper of the sheep" Sheep are divine thoughts. In the christmas story the shepherds are the first ones to see the christ. They were keeping watch over their sheep (thoughts). this means that those who watch over divine thoughts, through meditation are the first to experience christ consciousness. So Cain is the left hemisphere of the brain, and Abel is the right.


Genisis 4 verses 3&4, Cain brings the fruit of the ground as an offering to the lord. In other words that which grew out of his MUND. His own IDEAS. Abel brought the firstlings of his flock (thoughts). The flock is sheep, divine thoughts. the energy of the right side. the importance of the allegory surrounds the word "firstlings". let us look at 1 cor. 15:45, "the first was made a living soul, the last a quickening spirit. In 1 cor. 14:46, this is made a bit clearer, "that was not first which is spiritul, but which is natural". So Abel sacrifices the natural part. That is exactly what happens in meditation.


One of the things that first strikes me and gives me pause to consider this as literal is the fact that we have a primeval place occupied by two emglish people, Adam & Eve. the secong thing that is hard for me to consider is that the entire world is presently scourged by cancer, rape, wars, violence of all sorts, and it is all because these two people ate a piece of fruit that was givin to them by a talking snake. i dont know about you, but i find that a little difficult to swallow. The third thing that would make it clear to us that this is allegory and not literalism is the fact that one of the main characters in the drams is a talking snake. I would like to announce to the world that withgout any question, there is one certain fact. SNAKES DO NOT TALK.


Unknown nudity is another factor taht leads us into understanding that this is myth. our two english friends are running around this primeval garden totally naked but they do not realize this ata all. They have no idea that they are naked? Maybe theres a lesson here instead if literal interpretation.

So the best part, how do our friends find out they are naked? The talking snake tells them. Now keep in mind, the fundamentalists are trying to get our school systems to teach creationism. This is the basis of their creation study. Two english people that do not know they are naked being coerced to eat a piece of fruit by a talking snake. Now I think we have raised enough question for us to reach a conclusion that the genesis story is not LITERAL.

What does it all mean?

As we go along with the story it will become clear that genesis lays out in allegorical form the evolution of the MIND. The bible as a MIND book, naw! really? lets see!

So if we read the story psychologically, We have EVE, the symbol of the mental aspect of our nature. Eve, our thoughts, considers the temptation from the snake, our spine, our flesh. Our mind communicates with our body (ADAM), and the act is carried out. Psychologically coerrect. Spirit (eve) Body (adam) and carnal mind (snake).

No problem. no religios, athiest quarrel.


Now, the name of the garden where our heroes dwell is EDEN, it means delight. In gen 2:8, we are shown the location of this garden. The scripture says the garden is EASTWARD, in Eden. When you look north East is always on the right side. Therefore the garden of delight is to the RIGHT. Then right hemisphere of the brain, your spiritual side.

When we shutdown the thoughts of the mind we are sacrificing the natural part, so we can be given that which is spiritual. So we see why Abels sacrifice was acceptable and Cains was not. Look at gen. 4:4, "the lord had respect to Abel, in other words this is the way that we please God (the higher self)Sacrificing the natural part in meditation by taking no thought.


Still not convonced?

Gen.4:5 Unto Cain he had no respect. Ideas, techniques. Those things that come out of our minds and the minds of others are not acceptable. They are the FIRST BORN, and must be killed. Now you know why the bible is always talking about murder and killing the first born etc. its all about your THOUGHTS. The bible is one big mind book.


Now we get to the part where Cain plots the death of Abel. Remember this is allegory. It really is referring to the CARNAL part of your mind that works dilligently to overcome any learnings of the spiritual. The part that is in harmony with the universe is Abel, can be destroyed by the part that is not (Cain).

Yet both parts, carnal and spiritual are important for us to function as humans. There are countries that are very spiritual but have little material wealth, consider India, this is Abel; There are countries that have much material wealth, but little spirit, consider America. This is Cain. There must be a balance, one should not kill out the other.


Now for the kicker and to prove, this is an allegory. Read gen.4:14 carefully, The suggestion is that Cain will be slain again and again. Notice the wording. "Everyone that finds me shall slay me." This means there will be a revulsion of the lower mind. Where do you see that.

You see it in Religion. There is an attitude of totally eliminating any involvement with the lower carnal mind, with the flesh. But!


Genisis 4:15 says that a MARK is place on Cain to protect him. It implies that all life functions with POSITIVE and NEGATUVE (yin and yang) if you will. It is inherrent in nature. so the scripture tells us that God will not allow the destruction of Cain (the lowe mind) why? because it is absolutely necesary to live and function. But the lower mind should not hold sway over the the higher mind. Cain must take second place to Abel. THEPHYSICAL MUST TAKE SECOND PLACE TO THE SPIRITUAL. or it will destruct.

This is the truth behind the story, now copy this and show it tour fundamentalist preachers and sunday bible thumpers that believe they know something.


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seeker check this out.
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And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

as you probably already now this scripture,

my point is , "who are our creators and were did thay come from.
man have I got truth and evidence on this Idea of aliens and the bible and all military and secret project stuff.
this document was something I got from the net consearning the comparisons with alien encounter and the bible.

notice that every time it talks about the heaven in the bible it is talking about the sky and the stars and so on but not as a spiritual dwelling place as the bible teaches me of the resurection of the dead and judgment but christians are still believeing that when thay die thay go to heaven or hell.my point is that heaven in the bible is not some spiritual plain ( except for acasional quotes by jesus saying the kingdom of heaven meaning the kingdom of gods ways)but it is very much talking about a litral sky and then the outer atmosphere elsewere.

HOW DID OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE GODS CHANGE?
After the Age of Creation came a new epoch in human history: the Age of Lordship. This lasted until the "Great Flood" -- the melting of the polar ice caps at the end of the last ice age, an event which completely destroyed coastal cities. Until then, the superhumans inhabited their own colonies on Earth and directly ruled over human societies.
But the Flood ushered in the Age of Kingship. Superhuman lords no longer walked among their human subjects in the great cities of Sumeria, but instead returned to the sky from where they chose people to lead the civilizations of Earth. Meanwhile, Homo sapiens had spread from the Middle East to all six inhabitable continents, producing the races we know today.
The Hebrews, a nomadic desert people of the Sinai, had an especially close relationship with the gods; in fact, they came to be known as "the chosen people." Yahweh and the angels watched over them from the heavens above, often intervening for their benefit in various ways. How then, we might ask, did the superhumans make contact with people on Earth?
UFOS IN THE BIBLE?
Although many traditional Jews, Christians, and Muslims would probably reject this idea with little thought, it seems likely that similar phenomena were observed in biblical times. One can read the scriptures with only a little background knowledge and discover numerous examples of anomalous aerial craft appearing in the sky. We find dozens of shining clouds, balls of fire, wheels, and flaming chariots which bear a striking resemblance to modern UFOs.
Here are a few general quotes from the Torah which help to make this point:
"Behold, he [Yahweh] shall come up as clouds, and his chariots shall be as a whirlwind..." (Jeremiah 4:13).
"Behold, the Lord rideth upon a swift cloud..." (Isaiah 19:1).
"And the Lord will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night..." (Isaiah 4:5).
There are also many specific cases described in both Testaments of the Bible in which strange objects appear in the sky. Let's look at a few:
Throughout their wanderings in the desert, the Elohim guide the Hebrews from above, riding ahead in various craft. Perhaps the best example takes place during the exodus from Egypt: "... the children of Israel went up and harnessed out of the land of Egypt. And the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light..." (Exodus 13:18,21). The story continues with a pursuit by the Egyptian army. "And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them... but it gave light by night to [the Hebrews]: so that the [Egyptians] came not near the other all the night." (Exodus 14:19-20).
Since literal clouds don't have fiery pillars, one can reasonably conclude that the object was something very different -- perhaps a UFO with a descending beam of light. One is also forced to wonder how the Israelites got across the Red Sea. Could they have been flown across?
The prophet Ezekiel, a frequent recipient of extraterrestrial visitations, described a strange object in the sky: "And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it..." (Ezekiel 1:4).
This could very well be a modern-day account of a UFO sighting: A swirling wind accompanied a huge disk-shaped object surrounded by a bright glow. Ezekiel goes on to describe the strange craft descending from the sky, noting its resemblance to a spinning wheel and mentioning that it is piloted by a powerful-looking being.
In another incredible incident, the transfiguration of Jesus Christ, we find an excellent array of UFO-related phenomena (Matthew 17:2,5-6). First of all, Jesus Christ brought his disciples up on a mountain, where he showed himself as the glorious figure of a nordic-superhuman. "And [Jesus] was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light...." Then a UFO appears, provoking intense fear in the onlookers. "... behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud.... And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid." Finally, we read in Luke's version of the story that "... they feared as they entered into the cloud." (Luke 9:34).
WHAT ABOUT ALIEN ABDUCTIONS?
The subject is certainly one of the most controversial aspects of the whole phenomenon. In light of this fact, I expect to receive many flames in response to my argument that it occurred in biblical times.
People have concocted the most ridiculous stereotypes about angels: They have become winged cherubs strumming harps, etc, a view that is totally uncorroborated by the Bible or any other ancient text. In reality, the Bible repeatedly shows angels provoking fear in those who see them -- these cases can be thought of as grey encounters, while non-frightful incidents are most likely nordic encounters.
Probably the best example of standard alien abduction is the story of "Jacob's ladder."
Imagine that you were on a long hike through the wilderness and you lay down to sleep for the night under the starry sky. Suddenly you wake up with a start, but instead of seeing the morning sun you are greeted by a diagonal shaft of light descending from above, upon which strange creatures are going up and down. You hear a voice telling you that "your seed shall be spread far and wide," that it is necessary and important for the future of humanity. The voice continues, saying that "we will watch over you, for you are a chosen one." Then everything fades to black. You open your eyes and it's morning. "Must have been a dream," you rationalize, but an irrational fear keeps clawing back into your brain. "I've gotta get away from this place!" you shout, and quickly depart.
If this happened to you, what would you think? Alien abduction, right? Let's look at what happened to Jacob: "And he [Jacob] dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. And, behold, the Lord stood above it, and said.... thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest.... And Jacob awaked out of his sleep... And he was afraid, and said, How dreadful is this place!" (Genesis 28:12-17).
It is especially interesting to note that human and superhuman crossbreeding is possible. At least the Bible says so: "And it came to pass... That the sons of God [angels] saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of reknown." (Genesis 6:1-2,4).
Who were these mighty men? They were demigods, in quite the literal sense, and many were chosen as kings to rule human societies. They were giants because they inherited height from the nordic-superhumans; they were "of old" because they inherited longevity from the nordic-superhumans.
WAS JESUS CHRIST A DEMIGOD?
He was a demigod created to become the great king of the Jews, the messiah. Throughout Christian history, people have wondered about the virgin birth -- but the answer is now clear: Jesus was a "Son of God, son of man" simply because he was half alien and half human!
We find evidence for this belief directly in the Gospels; the early Christians wrote it themselves. Consider this story (Luke 1:26-32,34-35,38): "... the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee... And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying.... And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found favour with God." She is thus visited by a superhuman being who tells her she is somehow special or chosen, and she is afraid. The story goes on to reveal the visitation's shocking purpose. "And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest.... Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing that I know [have intercourse with] not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee; therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word." Mary agrees to submit to Yahweh as his handmaid, which in that time meant a concubine! She will be impregnated with godly sperm in order to produce the king of Israel!
On the night of Christ's birth some strange phenomena are observed, further confirming his superhuman origin. The famous "star of Bethlehem," for example, is said to have led the wise men to the infant Jesus, stopping over the place where he lay; no actual star of course could do this, so we must conclude that it was in fact a UFO. Other bright lights and shining clouds in the sky are described in two of the apocryphal books (Protevangelion and 1 Infancy), as well as a state of suspended animation in the village during Mary's labor. We also find the story of the shepherds, who see an angel descend from the sky in a brilliant glow of light to proclaim the birth of the messiah.
AND WE'VE JUST SCRATCHED THE SURFACE!
The examples presented in this article are only those which I consider the best and most interesting; there actually exist many others throughout the Bible which could also be discussed.

It's kind of unusual christian point of view with biblical background to perceive the ET interaction that way.

I saw a documentary on the KGB files and in the 60 s thay had a project Isis that was based in Egypt (allot of archaeologists dressed as military uniform) and the things I saw concerning Egypt.blew me away.

I.e. after a tomb being reported the KGB got to it and apparently it was the tomb of the visitor and once the tomb was opened (all on old film with experts to testify to its likely authentisity) it was an alien in side. Thay believe this tomb of the visitor was osiros as Egyptian myth says he came from the stars with his kind and thay left but osiros stayed to teach all that he new. (So the doc says anyway) this body was mummified in the traditional way with salts not cloth. It was dated very early in the first dynasty.

According to the book of the dead osiros was resurrected and sent to rule over the netherworld under the earth.

Another point was that thay x-rayed the levels of dart under the great pyramid and found a massive chamber under the ground about 1 kilometre (or so it seemed from the x-rays thay show).

The Russian experts disidded not to open this up as thay believed strongly that it would alert these aliens that were apparently in the Orion system and thay would return to occupy the earth again and some of them believed that it would open a gateway like stargate (I wonder if thay got the story from the KGB files as the governments of the world are directly involved in these aliens now and things are hotting up (do you no much about area 51 and other us air force bases and secret projects? How thay are all under ground now?

In project Isis the Russian astronomers were looking for a star system that matched the Egyptian Plato , thay couldn’t find it (as thay believed that if you put gold capstones on these 3 pyramids that thay would become a mass conductor (used for becominga becon) as a creatin star caused a shaft of light to come down onto the sarcophagus and energise this so called machine (I wander if the underground chamber has anything to do with the machine)
So the astronomers wound the clock of the stars back until thay could find something that would do this.
Thay found that 10500 BC there was the constellation of Orion that exactly matched the whole set out of the pyramids (not just the 3 big once) and the sphinx. Not just the 3 stars of orions belt but the whole area and from this apparently every point crossed the sphinx which the KGB concluded that this was the plaint of osiros

This is all according to the KGB file on project Isis in the 60`s.

I haven’t even realy touched the American and German files yet. not to mention pine gap in australia.

this is my favorite scripture , I show this to fundys and thay don`t say much , I`ll have to put one on the spot about this verse from issiah 66:
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For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
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For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
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If someone was to explain a UFO encounter 2500 yrs ago how would thay describe it.lets speculate, thay only new of chariots to describe a vehicle or fire for lights or a whirlwind for noisy motors that blow around (e.g. helicopter).now see what happens to Elijah keeping in mind this man carried a staff like moses and did wonders with it. Check this out:

2 Kings 2
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And he said, Thou hast asked a hard thing: nevertheless, if thou see me when I am taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee; but if not, it shall not be so.
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And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
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And Elisha saw it, and he cried my father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces.


So maby Elijah hags with jesus mates, out there.

Now there has been two others taken up to heaven(into the heavens) in the bible(suposedly) besides jesus .
1. was enoch. = so if it was moses and not enoch with Elijah on th mountain then it maby this is what happened.
Genesis 5
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And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
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And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
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And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.


2.the other is moses(believe it or not) althou he was dead by the time the archangel came and took his body if god rose jesus why couldn`t he (or enoch`s mate`s) raise moses , or why bother taking his body into space if he couldn`t

Matthew 24
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And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

2 Thessalonians 1
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And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels

Acts 1
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And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
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And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
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Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.


my point.

maby genisis is nothing more than a myth that only hints at the posabilitys of history and this goes for sumerian,egyptian,babylonion and hebrew myths???

one think I do now is that there is only one truth ?????
we as humans are left to peace this truth together and that will take a combind effort ( ie . I think the NSA (national security agency) now alot of this truth and have projects on this truth of who we are , were we come from and who is responsible . The problem is there code is dinial of everything.

does and one notice that everyone talks about the CIA and FBI but you don`t hear much about the NSA do you .
from my info it was formed by president truman to deal with the alian problem of national security so that was there birth and thay are into all these answers and probably are the men in black not to mentioned who killed kennedy and luther?????

national security every time write , this was one of kennedys last desisions.(hope I don`t get in trouble for this) but it`s about the best place to search for truth is the US, NSA. the bible couldn`t touch the surfice of what some of these guys now.

kennedy

THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON

October 11, 1963


NATIONAL SECURITY ACTION MEMORANDUM NO. 263

TO: Secretary of State
Secretary of Defense
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

SUBJECT: South Vietnam

At a meeting on October 5, 1963, the President considered the
recommendations contained in the report of Secretary McNamara
and General Taylor on their mission to South Vietnam.

The President approved the military recommendations contained
in Section I B (1-3) of the report, but directed that no formal
announcement be made of the implementation of plans to with-
draw 1,000 U.S. miltitary personnel by the end of 1963.

After discussion of the remaining recommendations of the report,
the President approved an instruction to Ambassador Lodge which
is set forth in State Department telegram No. 534 to Saigon.

s/ McGeorge Bundy
McGeorge Bundy


Copy furnished:
Director of Central Intelligence
Administrator, Agency for International Development


[Declassified - was Top Secret Eyes Only
Auth: EO 11652
Date: 7-6-76
By: Jeanne W. Davis
National Security Council]


then BOOM!!!

and the solders stayed???????????????
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Your just a wind-up mate. Nobody spells that bad by accident.
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I wonder what Genesis writer's reaction would be to Nut's comment. Can only wonder as I am not Genesis's writer.

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Aliens, UFOs, Abduction, .... WOW ! That certainly is one way to explain Bible verses that are difficult to comprehend using logic !

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Truthseekar.

has been doing his homework, everything he said is true, the eziekel ufo acount with cheribums, the orion ater sytem and pyramids , all of it. I never got a chance to see the documentary he speaks of, sure would like to se it though.

Maybe the god or gods of the old testament are or were aliens, the geneisis account sure sounds like a god with human or emotional states of being. Killing tribes of people etc. Maybe they came from orion or the pliades, which the egyptians also held in high reagrd.

All I know is, that the bible sure is one messed up book.

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Sailor74,

Right on !

I have been thinking about that seriously too.

Erich von ???mann (sorry, can't remember his lastname, but a very well know figure) wrote a very convincing book about the Bible Gods being actually aliens.

SO much of these Bible verses can be understood in their context (including Genesis 3:22-23) if we put aliens into the picture.

The reptillians, pleaidians, sirius,...all and multi-dimensional beings makes SO much senses to me, except I can't prove it.

BUT, neither can Christians PROVE that their bible god exist.

Only with time will, and can, we know, I guess.

I REALLY look forward to seeing UFOs, just like planes, flying in the skies.

Hope we get to see that in our lifetimes !

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