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Old 04-19-2001, 07:50 PM   #1
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**Gen 2:21....... So the LORD God caused Adam to fall into a deep sleep. He took one of Adam's ribs and closed up the place from which he had taken it.

**Gen 2:22........ Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib and brought her to Adam.


Why did writer of Gen start detailing Gods Failings at this point?

If he were an all powerful God...

Couldn't he have just used a pain killer?
Why not a light sleep did God not have pain killer technology?

Why not just Click his fingers to make Eve, like he did the earth and everything else?

Were making Humans more difficult than making every part of the universe, and relating every part of it together?
Was making a human so difficult for God that he had to use a body part from Adam?

Why does the writer waste valuble space telling use he had to “close it up” after removal?
Why was he forced to use a whole rib instead of half a rib or even one cell? What is in a whole rib that would not be in a few cells?

If Adam was asleep? Why didn’t God make Eve right there, why did he have to travel somewhere else with a bloody rib, did he have a operating room in the next Garden over?

Sounds like God had a lot of limitations no God should have to put up with. He must have been taking a WIZ when his God handed out LOGIC, REASON, AND SUPER POWERS.
 
Old 04-19-2001, 08:38 PM   #2
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This bit about God taking a whiz reminds me of a similar theory in Aristophanes's play _The Clouds_, in which someone claims that he had always thought that rain is Zeus pissing through a sieve (_dia koskinou ourein_).
 
Old 05-06-2001, 12:40 AM   #3
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by critical thinking made ez:
**Gen 2:21....... So the LORD God caused Adam to fall into a deep sleep. He took one of Adam's ribs and closed up the place from which he had taken it.

**Gen 2:22........ Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib and brought her to Adam.


Why did writer of Gen start detailing Gods Failings at this point?

If he were an all powerful God...

Couldn't he have just used a pain killer?
Why not a light sleep did God not have pain killer technology?

Why not just Click his fingers to make Eve, like he did the earth and everything else?

Were making Humans more difficult than making every part of the universe, and relating every part of it together?
Was making a human so difficult for God that he had to use a body part from Adam?

Why does the writer waste valuble space telling use he had to “close it up” after removal?
Why was he forced to use a whole rib instead of half a rib or even one cell? What is in a whole rib that would not be in a few cells?

If Adam was asleep? Why didn’t God make Eve right there, why did he have to travel somewhere else with a bloody rib, did he have a operating room in the next Garden over?

Sounds like God had a lot of limitations no God should have to put up with. He must have been taking a WIZ when his God handed out LOGIC, REASON, AND SUPER POWERS.
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The damned story is symbolic. Are you an idiot?
Whatever God does - just shows he is limited. All-powerful people dont have to "Do" - it just happens.
You drive your lazy ass to work (a quarter of a mile away). A kid sees you and says you used the car because you could not walk. Is he being bright?
"God" if he exists - can do whatever he chooses. You do not play football, or chess because you are weak - you can even decide to close your glazed eyes - it doesnt mean you are sleepy.
So whatever God did and how he did it, if he did it is irrelevant because he did not do it the way we think.
I wasnt there of course.
But I can tell.
You see...
I am a psychic

 
Old 05-06-2001, 01:29 AM   #4
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Why did the author mention birds flying fish swimming? Why did God make man from dust? And why on earth did he make cats? Here's the answer: I don't know. I don't know why God did a lot of things, but He has his special reasons. However, based on Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image..." it is pretty safe to deduce that God made man special. We are not like everything around us. You can ask why a million times, and I can ask another million, but that doesn't mean we'd understand even if he told us. In Isaiah 55:9 it says

"As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts"

That may sound like a cop out, but think about this, if God is wise enough and powerful enough to create this whole planet, don't you think He's got a good reason to use a whole rib.

(My personal thought is that Adam would have freaked out if God took one of his ribs while he was awake, so that Eve would have some ammo for their first marital spat But that's just my thoughts on the subject)

-Caleb
 
Old 05-06-2001, 04:49 AM   #5
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Jubilees 03:05 And the LORD our God cast a deep
sleep upon him, and he slept. And he took one bone from the
midst of his bones for the woman.
* And that rib was the
origin of the woman from the midst of his bones. And he
built up the flesh in place of it, and he constructed a
woman.


*Sounds like a good idea, I love (pun) Sunday mornings!

Thanks, Offa


 
Old 05-06-2001, 06:04 AM   #6
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Hmmm,

Before I can answer the question I need to know which creation "myth" I am to believe? Many cultures have creations myths. Assuming it's the "myth" in Genesis could you tell me which version I am to believe?

Genesis 1 through Genesis 2:3.
Or
Genesis 2:4-25.

Was man created before woman or were man and woman created at the same time? Also, in the second account man was made before the beasts and the fowls. Before I can accepty Caleb's or Jaliet's reasoning you need to get me past the errancy that is most of the Bible.

Of course, if Jaliet is correct and the story is "symbolic" then it is no more valid than the other 100 or so creation myths.

&lt;&lt;&lt;I don't know why God did a lot of things, but He has his special reasons.&gt;&gt;&gt;

Yeah, I guess that explains why he gives his other children, the Angels, eternal life unearned. Yet, he makes us earn it--and in the process we are supposed to sort through umpteen hundred flavors of Christianity, all with their own take. Not to mention thousands of *other* religions. And we're expected to do this with a flawed and inferior mind.

I'd be anxious to hear the "special" explanation that's for sure!

-T
 
Old 05-06-2001, 07:34 AM   #7
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Better burn that bible you are using because it is obscuring valuable space in your mind. God did not cast a deep sleep on Adam and God did not form Eve out of a rib. Adam and Eve were not created until Gen.3 and were never formed to have an existence of being which means that they are without a corporeal body. It is only because you and your bible translators misconstrue the properties of the species that you actually believe that God created Adam and Eve.

In Gen.2 Man and Woman were formed out of the neuter image of God in which Man was created to become either male of female. Woman was formed from the substance of man to be retained in the womb of man here called woman. This makes woman the soul of man and man the leading edge of creation where substance is created.

God did not make humans and the writer of Gen. makes this clear in Gen.3 where the fall of man occurs. The creation of our humanity is equal to the fall of man and has nothing to with God who was the first cause and is therefore also exhausted with the first cause.

Amos.
 
Old 05-06-2001, 10:12 AM   #8
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Amos123 writes:
&lt;&lt;&lt;Better burn that bible you are using because it is obscuring valuable space in your mind.&gt;&gt;&gt;

Tell that to the at least 90% of the 2 billion world Christians who beleive the bible as fact!

&lt;&lt;&lt;God did not make humans and the writer of Gen. makes this clear&gt;&gt;&gt;

Who, pray tell, did?

&lt;&lt;&lt;your bible translators misconstrue the properties of the species &gt;&gt;&gt;

They're not mine! I gave up on the whole lot 'cause no one can agree!

Jewish scholars say Christianity mistranslates. Christianity says Jewish scholars mistranslate. Islam agrees with neither. Now Amos purports another theory.

Quite confusing for a logical God don't you think?

As I said earlier, I'd be anxious to hear the "special" explanation that's for sure!



-T

 
Old 05-06-2001, 01:03 PM   #9
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Thomas:
Amos123 writes:
&lt;&lt;&lt;Better burn that bible you are using because it is obscuring valuable space in your mind.&gt;&gt;&gt;

Tell that to the at least 90% of the 2 billion world Christians who beleive the bible as fact!

&lt;&lt;&lt;God did not make humans and the writer of Gen. makes this clear&gt;&gt;&gt;

Who, pray tell, did?

&lt;&lt;&lt;your bible translators misconstrue the properties of the species &gt;&gt;&gt;

They're not mine! I gave up on the whole lot 'cause no one can agree!

Jewish scholars say Christianity mistranslates. Christianity says Jewish scholars mistranslate. Islam agrees with neither. Now Amos purports another theory.

Quite confusing for a logical God don't you think?

As I said earlier, I'd be anxious to hear the "special" explanation that's for sure!



-T

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Nothing special Thomas and if you just follow me through it will be yours.

In Gen 1 God creates the essence.
In Gen.2 Lord God forms the existence of the essence created in Gen 1.
In Gen.3 'like god' is created when man (still in the image of God) consumed from the tree of knowledge. Remember the words "you will be like gods and know"? Hence when they ate from the fruit "like god" was created. Like god was the conscious mind whereupon the ego was to be built and the ego is the home of our humanity. The word hu-man denotes the fallen condition of man because the prefix -hu is from humi and means earthly. This also means that man without the prefix -hu is other-than-earthly and perhaps heavenly if you allow me to posite heaven opposite to earth. Therefore our humanity is a blown out of proportion figment of our imagination to serve us in the role of creation/procreation and after it has served us well it can be crucified and resurrected.

Is this not what the bible tells us?

Amos
 
Old 05-06-2001, 02:03 PM   #10
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Allllrighty then!

I think it's time to go fishing!

-T
 
 

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